PrinceMyshkin
King
The Babes send us their world map and 189 gold. It doesn't reveal too many tiles, but we can see that they have made some progress in improving their land, but still have a bit of work to do. Team Free learns flight and enters the modern age getting it in 4-turns as it was a third rate tech and only cost 4370 beakers when they started. We've got science on 40% losing 159gpt for flight due in 8 and I've left it up to the Babes to decide how much gold they want to send to speed it up. It is going to be a good idea to use espionage at some point, but we need to get that tech and plant spies first. We are most ripe for an attack now, so defense comes first and then we'll try to get to the modern age.
In production this turn:
Graceland=>infantry-infantry in 2
GWOF=>infantry-infantry in 6
Sugar Mtn=>infantry-infantry in 2
Smoke On the Water=>marketplace-colosseum
We draft an infantry from The Watchtower, our workers chop two forests and our boats patrol but spot no enemy ships except the stationary Council frigate to the NW. We remain average to the Council and weak versus everyone else. With culture doubling we are up to 854cpt with a total culture of 42,378. Council is still at 265cpt, so they've built no research labs yet.
I notice on the map that Free has built airfields on both of their resource islands and Saber is building walls and a string of forts on their island near the capital.
The main news I have to report this turn has to do with information I've learned from the formula for stealing technology in Oystein's strategy article A Study on Espionage Missions in the war academy.
I've found we can determine if a team gained a tech and how many each turn with this information. I wish we had known this info sooner as it takes much of the guesswork out of what the tech leaders are up to. For instance, I noticed that Saber and Council have not traded their free tech on the first turn of the modern age. Either they got the same tech or were awaiting Free's arrival to work out a deal.
I took a look at each save starting on turn 152 to the present and came up with this timeline on when each team got a tech and using other clues also came up with what this tech was and how they got it.
The formula for the cost of stealing technology from the article is the following:
dist*level + base*techs/techrate/100
dist = distance from their capital to our nearest city
level = 1 for a town, 2 for a city, 3 for a metropolis
base = 10
techs = total # of techs known by the civ attempting to steal from
techrate = 240 (standard map with 5000 world tiles)
Since on turn 152, we knew exactly how many techs each team had and how much an immediate steal attempt cost in the espionage tab, I derived the following values for dist on this map for each team:
Council 18
Free 25
Saber 31
Babe 21
On turn 152 (360AD), the Council knew 35 techs, Free knew 35 techs, Saber knew 32 techs, and the Babes knew 30 techs. Going through each save I came up with the following timeline. Techs listed without a ? means we know what tech they got by other clues and how, but the total # of techs in () by each team is accurate as is the cost of safely stealing the tech. I'll put it in the following spoiler for those interested and start reporting any increase in cost and what it means in the turn reports.
Apologies if this isn't organized better and some of it is speculation as to the deals being made, but the big picture is that Saber has espionage and has been stealing techs from Free at least some with additional money provided by Council who saved money researching cheap optional techs like music theory, navigation and navigation. Saber also researced some optional techs like economics and most likely espionage. Free made a few trades with Council at the beginning, but hardly dealt with Saber at all, never trading lux. Although Free was researching at a 4-turn pace during their GA, teams were struggling to do this for monopoly techs and we can expect them to take 6 turns or longer in the modern age. Also we now have the means to track how fast they are researching.
In production this turn:
Graceland=>infantry-infantry in 2
GWOF=>infantry-infantry in 6
Sugar Mtn=>infantry-infantry in 2
Smoke On the Water=>marketplace-colosseum
We draft an infantry from The Watchtower, our workers chop two forests and our boats patrol but spot no enemy ships except the stationary Council frigate to the NW. We remain average to the Council and weak versus everyone else. With culture doubling we are up to 854cpt with a total culture of 42,378. Council is still at 265cpt, so they've built no research labs yet.
I notice on the map that Free has built airfields on both of their resource islands and Saber is building walls and a string of forts on their island near the capital.
The main news I have to report this turn has to do with information I've learned from the formula for stealing technology in Oystein's strategy article A Study on Espionage Missions in the war academy.
I've found we can determine if a team gained a tech and how many each turn with this information. I wish we had known this info sooner as it takes much of the guesswork out of what the tech leaders are up to. For instance, I noticed that Saber and Council have not traded their free tech on the first turn of the modern age. Either they got the same tech or were awaiting Free's arrival to work out a deal.
I took a look at each save starting on turn 152 to the present and came up with this timeline on when each team got a tech and using other clues also came up with what this tech was and how they got it.
The formula for the cost of stealing technology from the article is the following:
dist*level + base*techs/techrate/100
dist = distance from their capital to our nearest city
level = 1 for a town, 2 for a city, 3 for a metropolis
base = 10
techs = total # of techs known by the civ attempting to steal from
techrate = 240 (standard map with 5000 world tiles)
Since on turn 152, we knew exactly how many techs each team had and how much an immediate steal attempt cost in the espionage tab, I derived the following values for dist on this map for each team:
Council 18
Free 25
Saber 31
Babe 21
On turn 152 (360AD), the Council knew 35 techs, Free knew 35 techs, Saber knew 32 techs, and the Babes knew 30 techs. Going through each save I came up with the following timeline. Techs listed without a ? means we know what tech they got by other clues and how, but the total # of techs in () by each team is accurate as is the cost of safely stealing the tech. I'll put it in the following spoiler for those interested and start reporting any increase in cost and what it means in the turn reports.
Apologies if this isn't organized better and some of it is speculation as to the deals being made, but the big picture is that Saber has espionage and has been stealing techs from Free at least some with additional money provided by Council who saved money researching cheap optional techs like music theory, navigation and navigation. Saber also researced some optional techs like economics and most likely espionage. Free made a few trades with Council at the beginning, but hardly dealt with Saber at all, never trading lux. Although Free was researching at a 4-turn pace during their GA, teams were struggling to do this for monopoly techs and we can expect them to take 6 turns or longer in the modern age. Also we now have the means to track how fast they are researching.
Spoiler :
I guess we should have built more bleh.
