UK Politics IV - In Lies we Don't Truss

[EnglishEdward]

The way I see it accessability, frequency and reliability are arguably things worth investing in.

High speed that raises all sorts of costs, incompatabilities, key dependencies, risks and not likely much of any of the above three, is not.

 

[Gorbles]

Shame the government can't competently manage either then!

 

[Nick723]

The way I see it accessability, frequency and reliability are arguably things worth investing in.

High speed that raises all sorts of costs, incompatabilities, key dependencies, risks and not likely much of any of the above three, is not.

These are fair arguments, but the time for them was 10 years ago I think.

Time and again has shown that huge cost increases on these projects are driven by indecision, cancellations, changing of plans, etc. I would be in favour now if delivering the scope, at the lowest possible price.

Also, it’s bears pointing out that there’s a real lack of ‘shovel ready’ infrastructure projects that the UK can deliver. It’s all very well talking about upgrading Manchester to Leeds line, but it’ll be several years before any such project would be ready to start building. For now at least, it’s either HS2 or nothing.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Regarding HS2 I see this more as welfare for the corporates, and the claim that it
was promised so must be delivered as an excuse for pouring good money after bad.

My thinking is quite similar to George Monbiot's.

Every time a project like HS2 becomes a costly fiasco, we wonder why. So let me tell you: it’s clientelism

The relationship between those profiting from these big projects and those in power is such that no one truly costs or controls them, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kyriakos]

^^
(Channel4 title has a catchier title; though more generally it is about the new business model due to digital markets and platforms which don't depend on paid labour but voluntary use by the public, eg Amazon collecting "digital rent" from sellers, or Facebook increasing its value through posters)

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The Conservatives are going fully in on targetting trans people, banning/excluding them wherever possible

 

[Arakhor]

They're flailing wildly, trying to find anything that might form a wedge issue to get them more votes next year. How that translates to the party manifestos for 2024, I don't know.

 

[EnglishEdward]

And your evidence for the conservatives actually banning trans people in the UK is ?

 

[Senethro]

Topical: https://www.theguardian.com/society...to-be-banned-from-female--and-male-only-wards

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And your evidence for the conservatives actually banning trans people in the UK is ?

How about you open your goddamn eyes

 

[EnglishEdward]

Topical: https://www.theguardian.com/society...to-be-banned-from-female--and-male-only-wards

Tiresome political noise and theatre that will fool no one sensible.

These days the question is more often whether they can find a bed for you in a ward or you are treated in a corridor.

And few people dare query the age, experience, gender, qualifications, race, religion or sex etc etc of the medic,
because they know that the real choice is to be treated by the available medic or not get treated at all.

The UK is not quite like the disunited states where there seems to be a rush into silly laws.

 

[Senethro]

Tiresome political noise and theatre that will fool no one sensible.

These days the question is more often whether they can find a bed for you in a ward or you are treated in a corridor.

And few people dare query the age, experience, gender, qualifications, race, religion or sex etc etc of the medic,
because they know that the real choice is to be treated by the available medic or not get treated at all.

The UK is not quite like the disunited states where there seems to be a rush into silly laws.

Sensible people think that the world is sensible and that the arc of history bends inevitably towards sensibleness. They are terrible allies because they stay home and do nothing, as they believe they need do nothing.

Reality is we could be about 5 years away from our own Trump or Orban, and on the day they are elected the Sensibles will act as if it were completely surprising.

 

[Gorbles]

Tiresome political noise and theatre that will fool no one sensible.

Which is weird, because people keep voting for the party that keeps coming out with lines like this.

Reality suggests people are fooled, because they vote for such, or even more alarmingly, in spite of such.

 

[Nick723]

Topical: https://www.theguardian.com/society...to-be-banned-from-female--and-male-only-wards

Or to write the headline differently:

‘Single sex wards to be properly enforced going forward, health secretary confirms’.

This is purely framing.

By the way, I also agree that the nhs has much bigger issues to worry about that perhaps the health secretary should rather focus on…

 

[Kyriakos]

It's not like Keir supports trans either.

 

[Senethro]

From the responses here we can see how Plausible Deniability is built in to the dog whistles.

It's not like Keir supports trans either.

Yah that guy sucks too.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Sensible people think that the world is sensible and that the arc of history bends inevitably towards sensibleness. They are terrible allies because they stay home and do nothing, as they believe they need do nothing.

Reality is we could be about 5 years away from our own Trump or Orban, and on the day they are elected the Sensibles will act as if it were completely surprising.

Seeing Farage feted by Tory members at 1 of the fringe meetings at the Tory conference and hearing the expectation is their leader shortly after the next election is likely to be patel, braverman or badenoch I think thats very true.
Badenoch is now the "sensible" candidate because her bigotry is opportunist rather than heartfelt.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Or to write the headline differently:

‘Single sex wards to be properly enforced going forward, health secretary confirms’.

This is purely framing.

By the way, I also agree that the nhs has much bigger issues to worry about that perhaps the health secretary should rather focus on…

We get it, you don't like trans people

Just @Nick723 agreeing with the transphobic premise that trans women are some sort of unique inherent risk that justifies treating us like men

 

[EnglishEdward]

Which is weird, because people keep voting for the party that keeps coming out with lines like this.

Reality suggests people are fooled, because they vote for such, or even more alarmingly, in spite of such.

When voting is a choice of selecting the lesser evil, one is always voting in spite of something or other.

Seeing Farage feted by Tory members at 1 of the fringe meetings at the Tory conference and hearing the expectation is their leader shortly after the next election is likely to be patel, braverman or badenoch I think thats very true.
Badenoch is now the "sensible" candidate because her bigotry is opportunist rather than heartfelt.

Sensible people think that the world is sensible and that the arc of history bends inevitably towards sensibleness. They are terrible allies because they stay home and do nothing, as they believe they need do nothing.

Reality is we could be about 5 years away from our own Trump or Orban, and on the day they are elected the Sensibles will act as if it were completely surprising.

I doubt that. Having had literary aspirants, ladies and a non white, I rather think that if
Rishi Sunak goes, they will probably try to revert to a boring old middle aged white man.

And wasn't that Boris bloke supposed to have been our very own mini-Trump !

 

[Gorbles]

When voting is a choice of selecting the lesser evil, one is always voting in spite of something or other.

Which means "sensible" is kinda irrelevant, contextually.