Unique Ability Elimination Thread

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  1. Jernfrau

    Jernfrau Chieftain

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 36 Ho-Ho-Hold on a second, we're not leading here, what is this?
    Brazil - Carnival - 18
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 13
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35 A definite top 5, but Babylon deserves to be in the lead at all times
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 5
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 35
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
     
  2. DeathwatchBob

    DeathwatchBob Chieftain

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 18
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 5
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 35
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

    Babylon gets you faster NC, faster University, and faster early trade route techs. These all snowball (the trade routes more so on higher difficulties), so the earlier the better.

    Sun Never Sets is naval specific and worst than the other naval UAs (except potentially Indonesia on Pangaea - though there are still sometimes little islands that are worth settling...).
     
  3. HeraldtheGreat

    HeraldtheGreat King

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    Seven Cities of Gold: Way too chancy for my taste, more so than Indonesia. Someone put this out of it's misery.

    Nobel Prize: It actively rewards you for DOFs. Great for a culture win, providing large boosts to GWAMs. Amazing for Diplo, insta-gaining an alliance for at least 30 turns, and being fueled off those extra great people.

    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 18
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 1
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 35
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

    You're trying to sabotage a Civ people like for good reason?
     
  4. reticentbassist

    reticentbassist Chieftain

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 18
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Eliminated Indonesia - Spice Islanders - Meh...
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 1
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37 - AWESOME UA
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
     
  5. jacer21

    jacer21 Chieftain

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 18
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 0 - Goodbye. This UA can sometimes beat some of the ones left here but most of the time you get nothing.
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20 - War fun. Add culture? War very fun.
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
     
  6. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 19 Good UA for domination on higher difficulties. If you always bottleneck your research you'll almost always have something to steal.
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 14 Maybe I might like this better with the influence changes they added in the new patch but I think France might have better tourism potential with their UA since it's always on.
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
     
  7. Jernfrau

    Jernfrau Chieftain

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 19
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 14
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 33 Those free harbors are invaluable
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 16 - Aztecs may be seen as a great war civ, but I just think the small culture bonuses aren't as fun as people say
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
     
  8. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 19
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 14
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 33
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 24
    Most of the time, this really isn't that valuable. It might get you a small advantage on an archipelago, but optics isn't far down the tech tree, and if I'm playing archipelago I'll just go Carthage, Japan, Venice or whatever.

    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 16
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 23
    I still think this ability is severely underrated.

    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
     
  9. meowschwitz

    meowschwitz Warlord

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 19
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 14
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 33
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 35
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 24
    Most of the time, this really isn't that valuable. It might get you a small advantage on an archipelago, but optics isn't far down the tech tree, and if I'm playing archipelago I'll just go Carthage, Japan, Venice or whatever.
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 17
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 6
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 16
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 24
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
     
  10. Sake

    Sake Warlord

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 19
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 14
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 33
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 37 - Awesome in every possible way
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 24
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 17
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 2 - What is this still doing here? It gives some extra gold from capturing and helps with naval invasions, but is still the worst one left.
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 26
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 16
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 24
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
     
  11. Viregel

    Viregel , The Rt. Hon.

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 19
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 14
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 33
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 37
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 24
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 17
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Songhai - River Warlord - 0 Yay, I get to kill something! Pretty bad anyway.
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 27 Can't go wrong with a ton of city-state allies and Great People.
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 16
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 24
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
     
  12. eisforeccentric

    eisforeccentric Chieftain

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 19
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 10 - For GA-boosted boosting UAs, I prefer Persia's
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 33
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 9
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37 - Science drives everything in the game, and Korea becomes a scientific behemoth in the mid and late game thanks to their UA
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 37
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 24
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 17
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 27
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 16
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 24
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
     
  13. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 15- To take cities, you need slightly advanced units. This requires tech buildings. Therefore, this bonus is usually useless.
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 38
    Brazil - Carnival - 10 -
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 33
    China- Art of War - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 11- An extra spy to pick up techs you missed, while the other one defends.
    Greece - Hellenic League - 25
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37 -
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
    Poland - Solidarity - 37
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 24
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 17
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 27
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 16
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 37
    The Maya - The Long Count - 24
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
     
  14. fuzzatron717

    fuzzatron717 Holy Warrior

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 15
    Babylon: Ingenuity 38
    Brazil: Carnival 10
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
    China: Art of War 18
    England: Sun Never Sets 11
    Greece: Hellenic League 25
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 26
    Poland: Solidarity 39
    Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
    Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches 17
    Siam: Father Governs Children 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
    The Aztecs: Sacrificial Captives 12
    The Inca: Great Andean Road 37
    The Maya: The Long Count 24
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37

    Like the UA name says; Poland UA is solid.
    BNW isn't that warlike so Aztecs are that great even though most my games are warlike pre and post patch.
     
  15. greygamer

    greygamer Feudal Lord

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    :confused: BNW isn't warlike but your games are?
     
  16. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 15
    Babylon: Ingenuity 38
    Brazil: Carnival 10
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
    China: Art of War 18
    England: Sun Never Sets 11
    Greece: Hellenic League 26 Guaranteed diplomatic victory in the bag. Save 50% on foreign aid to CS'! In turn, they'll love you twice as much if you intimidate them (autocracy) or trade with them (freedom).
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 26
    Poland: Solidarity 39
    Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
    Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches 17
    Siam: Father Governs Children 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
    The Aztecs: Sacrificial Captives 9 If you have lengthy wars, it might help give you a free policy or 2 with all the culture, but I wouldn't count on this UA.
    The Inca: Great Andean Road 37
    The Maya: The Long Count 24
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37
     
  17. aljung

    aljung Chieftain

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 15
    Babylon: Ingenuity 38
    Brazil: Carnival 10
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
    China: Art of War 18
    England: Sun Never Sets 11
    Greece: Hellenic League 26
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 26
    Poland: Solidarity 39
    Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
    Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches 17
    Siam: Father Governs Children 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
    The Aztecs: Sacrificial Captives 5 - Bonus is too situational.
    The Inca: Great Andean Road 37
    The Maya: The Long Count 26 - BNW really upgraded this bonus. Always useful.
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37
     
  18. Shimmler

    Shimmler Warlord

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 15
    Babylon: Ingenuity 38
    Brazil: Carnival 10
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
    China: Art of War 18
    England: Sun Never Sets 11
    Greece: Hellenic League 26
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 26
    Poland: Solidarity 39
    Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
    Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches 17
    Siam: Father Governs Children 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
    The Aztecs: Sacrificial Captives 2 - Not only situational, but a minor one.
    The Inca: Great Andean Road 38 - Always saves you a fortune, and almost always provides you with tons of food.
    The Maya: The Long Count 26
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37
     
  19. DeathwatchBob

    DeathwatchBob Chieftain

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 15
    Babylon: Ingenuity 40
    Brazil: Carnival 10
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
    China: Art of War 18
    England: Sun Never Sets 11
    Greece: Hellenic League 26
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 26
    Poland: Solidarity 39
    Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
    Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches 17
    Siam: Father Governs Children 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
    The Aztecs: Sacrificial Captives 0
    The Inca: Great Andean Road 38
    The Maya: The Long Count 26
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37

    Babylon up because they can explode out of the stone age like no other.

    Killing off the Aztecs because while good, exploiting their UA just feels really gamey.
     
  20. Jernfrau

    Jernfrau Chieftain

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 15
    Babylon: Ingenuity 40
    Brazil: Carnival 7 - Brazil is ultimately not as strong as Persia, so they will have to go down a bit.
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
    China: Art of War 18
    England: Sun Never Sets 11
    Greece: Hellenic League 26
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 27 - ...so let us upvote this.
    Poland: Solidarity 39
    Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
    Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches 17
    Siam: Father Governs Children 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
    The Inca: Great Andean Road 38
    The Maya: The Long Count 26
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37
     
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