Unique Ability Elimination Thread

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
Egypt - Monument Builders - 7
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 4
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 26
Songhai - River Warlord - 8
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 12
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 23
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
Venice - Serenissima - 3

The advantage Babylon has over Poland is that there are no social policies that give you an academy when you hit writing

Between England and Indonesia, on an island map I would rather have Indonesia's UA.

 

24. Ships of the Desert
25. Monument Builders
26. Serenissisma
27. Furor Teuctonious (i probably spelled that wrong)
28. The Glory of Rome
29. Patriarchate of Constantinople
30. The Great Warpath
31. Scourge of God
32. Diplomatic Marriage
33. Viking Fury
34. Barbary Corsairs
35. Dutch East India Company
36. City of Light
37. Population Growth
38. Gateway to Africa
39- Bushido
40. Druidic Lore
41. Sprit of Adwa
42. Manifest destiny
43. Mongol terror

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
China- Art of War 18 Was left out a long time ago.
Egypt - Monument Builders - 7
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 4
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 26
Songhai - River Warlord - 8
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 12
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 23
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
Venice - Serenissima - 3

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
China- Art of War 18 Was left out a long time ago.
Egypt - Monument Builders - 7
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 4
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28 OP combined with consulates
Songhai - River Warlord - 8
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 12
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 23
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28
Venice - Serenissima - 0 If I'm not mistaken, the ability to buy CS comes from MoV, not the UA. So this is almost completely handicap

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
China- Art of War - 18
Egypt - Monument Builders - 3 - Probably the worst one left here.
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6 - There are islands on any kind of map, even pangeas.
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 8
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 12
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 23
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
China- Art of War - 18
Egypt - Monument Builders
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6 - There are islands on any kind of map, even pangeas.
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 8
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 12
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 25
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28


Bye Bye Egypt. Wonderspam isn't useful on higher difficulties.
Maya's "free" great people is still fairly nice, even if only for the first one being sooner than you'd usually have one.

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 10 - Great for when you have to attack an enemy across a massive ocean, as a couple submarines or destroyers can ruin half your invasion force before you have a chance to destroy them with your own. Also the extra gold from pillaging cities is nice.
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 12
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18 - Dependent on the fact that you are killing units, I don't find this very good because you're probably better off improving culture through CS, ruins, or great artists.
The Maya - The Long Count - 25
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Some abilities are being voted down because of the difficulty someone plays on.

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 29 I'll admit there are better UAs, but for the water game the harbors are such a huge convenience. Mountains mean nothing
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 10
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9 I like having to deal with variables, just not when it's the core of my UA. Hope this one gets axed soon
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 25
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 15 - You will already be ahead in technology most of the time, so it nullifies the UA
Babylon - Ingenuity - 36
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 30 - Free harours are awesome, and that one in ten time there is a civ on the other side of mountains, superb.
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 10
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 25
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33 -3 Bombarding city tiles with scientists lowers the growth/production/money
Brazil - Carnival - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 29 I'll admit there are better UAs, but for the water game the harbors are such a huge convenience. Mountains mean nothing
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34 +1Even cultural ruins get +2 to science
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 10
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9 I like having to deal with variables, just not when it's the core of my UA. Hope this one gets axed soon
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 25
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 18 +1
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 29
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 10
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22 -3
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

Carnival is absolutely fabulous for a cultural victory. It makes cultural victories 10x easier.

The Mayan Long Count isn't really all that great. Receive a free Great Person every 394 years once. Not cool if you're going to play way beyond the future.

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31- I don't know why I like this, I just love playing as Carthage.
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 28
Songhai - River Warlord - 6- How often are you attacking things from the sea?
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 6
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 6
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
Songhai - River Warlord - 6
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 36
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

Siam is my go-to civ for culture wins, as well as when I go up a level, and it's specifically the UA that makes me do this. Boosted CS culture and faith really helps.

Arabia is the opposite. Awesome UB and UU, middling UA. Maybe I'm biased though, as I liked the old UA.

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 6
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3 Just not enough, not often enough
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
Songhai - River Warlord - 6
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37 Gobble up land while no one else can get to it, and hold it when everyone else can.
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 2 Can someone explain to me why this UA is good? I don't really get it.
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18
Babylon - Ingenuity - 35 I love the Shoshone UA, but there's no way it should be beating the scientific powerhouses of the game.
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
Songhai - River Warlord - 6
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 2
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 15
Babylon - Ingenuity - 35
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35. I always prefer going toward Science victory.
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
Songhai - River Warlord - 6
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 0 I don't know either, you can build more planes, ships and tanks I guess, oh and religious spread is easier but the caravan thing gets pretty useless after compass.
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 20 I just love this one. It enables you to spend less effort on beakers and more on troops. It's just fun warmongering.
Babylon - Ingenuity - 35
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
Songhai - River Warlord - 6
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 9
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

 

Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 20
Babylon - Ingenuity - 35
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 34
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
Songhai - River Warlord - 6
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 5
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 35
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28


Post #227 removed the Inca from the list for some reason
Re-adding them.

Inca is great. Free roads, half price railroads on hills.
Normal movement on hills.
It's just fantastic.

Spain is great...if you first find that natural wonder.
It's a gamble.
And in MP, it's a totally OP civ if that person can find one natural wonder first...
Needs to be more balanced somehow...

 

Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 17
Babylon - Ingenuity - 35
Brazil - Carnival - 18
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 31
China- Art of War - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 13
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 3
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 35
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 26
Poland - Solidarity - 38
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 30
Songhai - River Warlord - 6
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 5
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 35
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 37
The Zulus - Iklwa - 28

Counting Fierro's vote. Also, remember some of us are doing +2/-4 now (it was agreed upon as a new system halfway through.), so feel free to vote that way if you want your votes to count for more.