Unique Ability Elimination Thread

[VicRatlhead5199]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 16 Using this UA doesn't mean you have to be behind in tech. It just means you should bottleneck as much as possible. Go for writing and education then rush gunpowder, chemistry etc. Let your UA fill in the gaps.
Babylon: Ingenuity 40
Brazil: Carnival 4 It's benefits don't really help a lot until late in the game. I feel like it's better to postpone golden ages as long as possible (preferably after your musicians guild is built.) Even then I think the best thing about it is finishing aesthetics and saving faith to buy musicians during your late game golden ages. It's just a weird UA that isn't very versatile.
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
China: Art of War 18
England: Sun Never Sets 11
Greece: Hellenic League 26
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 27
Poland: Solidarity 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
Russia: Siberian Riches 17
Siam: Father Governs Children 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road 38
The Maya: The Long Count 26
The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37

 

[Lights]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 16
Babylon: Ingenuity 40
Brazil: Carnival 6 Sure it's not so much useful early, but late it's a tourism boom. The best UA for cultural victories.
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
China: Art of War 18
England: Sun Never Sets 7 I prefer playing on pangaea and i don't use this UA so much.
Greece: Hellenic League 26
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 27
Poland: Solidarity 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
Russia: Siberian Riches 17
Siam: Father Governs Children 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road 38
The Maya: The Long Count 26
The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37

Some people are voting +1 -3 and it's +2 -4.

 

[Merciorum]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh 12- the effort-to-reward ratio is way off.
Babylon: Ingenuity 40
Brazil: Carnival 6
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage 33
China: Art of War 18
England: Sun Never Sets 7
Greece: Hellenic League 26
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy 27
Poland: Solidarity 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding 24
Portugal: Mare Clausum 24
Russia: Siberian Riches 17
Siam: Father Governs Children 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road 40- Just look at it! Look at the free gold!
The Maya: The Long Count 26
The Shoshone: Great Expanse 37

Why was Morocco knocked off so early? Some people are strange...

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

Why was Morocco knocked off so early? Some people are strange...

Looks good on paper but winds up being really weak in practice. The culture benefits only apply to individual civs and over the course of a game probably doesn't even add up to one extra policy. I think the extra gold was intended to encourage more civs to send trade routes to Morocco but in play you really don't get any more incoming trade than you would with any other civ. It turns out to be one of the weakest UAs in the game since all it is is somewhere between 4-10 extra culture per turn and about twice that amount in gpt.

 

[jacer21]

Is there a reason the dashes were removed? It makes the number easier to see.

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14 - Calls for a unique strategy and I like it.
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Brazil: Carnival - 2 - Even with the tourism changes, this UA is still kind of one dimensional. The fact that it is only active during a tiny percent of the game makes playing brazil not as fun as it should be.
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 33
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 7
Greece: Hellenic League - 26
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 24
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 17
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 26
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37

 

[Crafty Bison]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Brazil: Carnival - 2
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 33
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 9 So, so fun, keshiks of the sea, only like much much better. Also encourages a fun aggressive expansion strategy.
Greece: Hellenic League - 26
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 20 Runs out of use quick, and making lots of land units quick looks real bad one triremes come and outpace them. Plus it's use is far less on continents maps than Carthage or England's though. Like the moai culture, but that's about it for this civ.
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 17
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 26
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37

 

[eisforeccentric]

I can't vote again for another couple hours, but can we get some clarification on what the actual totals are? Most of us have been voting +2, -4, but posts #256, 258, 260, and 261 all voted +1,-3. Should the totals be adjusted to reflect +2, -4, or should we just go with it?

 

[cpm4001]

I can't vote again for another couple hours, but can we get some clarification on what the actual totals are? Most of us have been voting +2, -4, but posts #256, 258, 260, and 261 all voted +1,-3. Should the totals be adjusted to reflect +2, -4, or should we just go with it?

They should be voting +2, -4, but trying to adjust the vote totals would be more trouble that it's worth. Perhaps if people go and read the line in the OP about voting, the one that's in bright red...?

 

[jlim201]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Brazil: Carnival - 0- I love culture wins, but I like France better for its City of Light. This relies on golden ages so it is situational.
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 33
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 9
Greece: Hellenic League - 27- Super easy Diplo Win.
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 20
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 17
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 26
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37

 

[eisforeccentric]

They should be voting +2, -4, but trying to adjust the vote totals would be more trouble that it's worth. Perhaps if people go and read the line in the OP about voting, the one that's in bright red...?

Agreed.

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 33
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 9
Greece: Hellenic League - 27
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 16 - This just peters out too quickly for me, and on Pangaea 2 of the 3 parts aren't useful.
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 19 - It might appear bland to some, but double iron and horses are helpful, and I've found their +1 production bonus more prevalent than the Hunnic pasture bonus.
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 26
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37

 

[meowschwitz]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 33
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 9
Greece: Hellenic League - 27
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 12 Not bad, but situational isn't as awesome as the rest of these great abilities
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 28 One of the few abilities that really compensate you for going wide and synergizes well with the civ as a whole. Not to mention it's flavorful and does affect how you play by making you rush theology.
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 33
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 6 -3 I don't *hate* this UA, I just feel that it doesn't do England nearly enough justice, especially given the lack of a decent UB.
Greece: Hellenic League - 27
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 12 Not bad, but situational isn't as awesome as the rest of these great abilities
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 29 +1 My current game is my first ever experience with this UA, & *boy* do I love it!
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37

 

[jlim201]

12. Phoenician Heritage
13. Achaemenid Lagacy
14. Treasures of Nineveh
15. Art of War
16. Siberian Riches
17. Wayfinding
18. Sun Never Sets
19. Carnival
20. Sacrificial Captives
21. River Warlord
22. Seven Cities of Gold
23. Ships of the Desert
24. Monument Builders
25. Seressinissama
26. Spice Islanders
27. Patrachairte of Constantinople
28. Furor Teuctonious (i probably spelled that wrong)
29. The Glory of Rome
30. The Great Warpath
31. Scourge of God
32. Diplomatic Marriage
33. Viking Fury
34. Barbary Corsairs
35. Dutch East India Company
36. City of Light
37. Population Growth
38. Gateway to Africa
39- Bushido
40. Druidic Lore
41. Sprit of Adwa
42. Manifest destiny
43. Mongol terror

 

[jlim201]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 33
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 6
Greece: Hellenic League - 27
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 12 Not bad, but situational isn't as awesome as the rest of these great abilities
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 29
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37
The Zulu- 28

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 16 Bottleneck research and leave lots of space nearby for civs to settle. The dumb AI will keep sending settlers with tech for you to steal and new cities are easy to sack. Once you don't get anything go for the capital and repeat the process on the next civ. It's easy.
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29 I like all the rest of the UAs so this is hard. The mountain crossing is super situational and the free harbors used to be better when harbors provided production.
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 6
Greece: Hellenic League - 27
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 12
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 27
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 29
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37
The Zulu- 28

 

[Merciorum]

Looks good on paper but winds up being really weak in practice. The culture benefits only apply to individual civs and over the course of a game probably doesn't even add up to one extra policy. I think the extra gold was intended to encourage more civs to send trade routes to Morocco but in play you really don't get any more incoming trade than you would with any other civ. It turns out to be one of the weakest UAs in the game since all it is is somewhere between 4-10 extra culture per turn and about twice that amount in gpt.

Admittedly the Kasbah is their strong point, but the UA is exceptionally useful early game. You will easily have more gold than other civs in the first portion of the game, a benefit which is then taken over by the Kasbah in the mid-late game. The UA is designed to give an early advantage. On its own it would be bad, but in context it is excellent.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

Admittedly the Kasbah is their strong point, but the UA is exceptionally useful early game. You will easily have more gold than other civs in the first portion of the game, a benefit which is then taken over by the Kasbah in the mid-late game. The UA is designed to give an early advantage. On its own it would be bad, but in context it is excellent.

And since the vote is about the UA and not the civ it makes a lot of sense that it got voted out early.

 

[Merciorum]

And since the vote is about the UA and not the civ it makes a lot of sense that it got voted out early.

Same goes for most UAs.

 

[jacer21]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 16
Babylon: Ingenuity - 40
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 8 - May seem bad at first, but +2 movement (even on pangea maps) can let you meet civs and city-states much faster, which can snowball into all kinds of nice effects.
Greece: Hellenic League - 27
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 12
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 23 - Why would you want to gift great people? Even great admirals are somewhat useful. In any case, this one is too high.
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 29
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37
The Zulu- 28

 

[Jernfrau]

Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 13 I'm usually already in the lead from the get go as Assyria, this doesn't add much.
Babylon: Ingenuity - 41 We can already see what will be the top 5
Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
China: Art of War - 18
England: Sun Never Sets - 8
Greece: Hellenic League - 27
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 37
Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 27
Poland: Solidarity - 39
Polynesia: Wayfinding - 12
Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
Sweden: Nobel Prize - 23
The Inca: Great Andean Road - 40
The Maya: The Long Count - 29
The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 37
The Zulu- 28