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Unique Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by cpm4001, Sep 29, 2013.

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  1. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    Well, we've got a Unique Unit Elimination Thread, a Unique Building Elimination Thread, and a Unique Improvement Elimination Thread - guess we just need a Unique Ability Elimination Thread now! As in the other threads, voting goes +1, -3 [to expedite matters, voting is now +2, -4], and please explain why you're voting the way you are.
    So, without further ado, here's the Giant List O' UAs (as of BNW, of course)!

    America - Manifest Destiny - All land military units have +1 sight. 50% discount when purchasing tiles.
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - Caravans gain 50% extended range. Your trade routes spread the home city's religion twice as effectively. Oil resources are doubled.
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - When a city is conquered, gain a free Technology already discovered by its owner. Gaining a city through a trade deal does not count, and it can only happen once per enemy city.
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - Can spend Gold to annex or puppet a City-State that has been your ally for 5 turns.
    Babylon - Ingenuity - Receive free Great Scientist when you discover Writing. Earn Great Scientists 50% faster.
    Brazil - Carnival - Tourism output is +100% during their Golden Ages. Earn Great Artists, Musicians, and Writers 50% faster during their Golden Ages.
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - Choose one more Belief than normal when you found a Religion.
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - All coastal Cities get a free Harbor. Units may cross mountains after the first Great General is earned, taking 50 HP damage if they end a turn on a mountain.
    China - Art of War - The Great General combat bonus is increased by 15%, and their spawn rate is increased by 50%.
    Denmark - Viking Fury - Embarked units have +1 Movement and pay just 1 movement point to move from sea to land. Melee units pay no movement point cost to pillage.
    Egypt - Monument Builders - +20% Production towards Wonder construction.
    England - Sun Never Sets - +2 Movement for all naval units. Receives 1 extra Spy.
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - Combat bonus (+20%) when fighting units from a Civilization with more Cities than Ethiopia.
    France - City of Light - Museum and World Wonder theming bonuses are doubled in their capital.
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - Upon defeating a Barbarian unit inside an encampment, there is a 50% As of the Fall Patch, 67% chance you earn 25 gold Gold and they join your side. Pay 25% less for land unit maintenance.
    Greece - Hellenic League - City-State Influence degrades at half and recovers at twice the normal rate.
    India - Population Growth - Unhappiness from number of Cities doubled, Unhappiness from number of Citizens halved.
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - The first 3 cities founded on continents other than where Indonesia started each provide 2 unique Luxury Resources (and can never be razed).
    Japan - Bushido - Units fight as though they were at full strength even when damaged. As of the Fall Patch, +1 Culture for Fish Boats and +2 Culture for Atolls.
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - +2 science for all specialists and for all Great Person tile improvements. Receive a tech boost each time a scientific building/Wonder is built in the Korean capital.
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - Combat Strength +30% when fighting City-State units or attacking a City-State itself. All mounted units have +1 Movement.
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - Receives +3 Gold and +1 Culture for each Trade Route with a different civ or City-State. The Trade Route owners receive +2 Gold for each Trade Route sent to Morocco.
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - Golden Ages last 50% longer. During a Golden Age, units receive +1 Movement and a +10% Combat Strength bonus.
    Poland - Solidarity - Receive a free Social Policy when you advance to the next era.
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - Can embark and move over Oceans immediately. +1 Sight when embarked. +10% Combat Strength bonus if within 2 tiles of a Moai.
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - Resource diversity grants twice as much Gold for Portugal in Trade Routes.
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - +25% Production towards any buildings that already exist in the Capital.
    Russia - Siberian Riches - Strategic Resources provide +1 Production and Horse, Iron and Uranium Resources provide double quantity.
    Siam - Father Governs Children - Food, Culture, and Faith from friendly City-States increased by 50%.
    Songhai - River Warlord - Receive triple Gold from Barbarian encampments and pillaging Cities. Land units gain the War Canoe and Amphibious promotions, strengthening them while embarked.
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - Gold bonus for discovering a Natural Wonder (bonus enhanced if first to discover it). Culture, Happiness, and tile yields from Natural Wonders doubled.
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - Gain 90 Influence with a Great Person gift to a City-State. When declaring friendship, Sweden and their friend gain a +10% boost to Great Person generation.
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - Gains Culture for the empire from each enemy unit killed.
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - +1 Faith per city with an adjacent unimproved Forest. Bonus increases to +2 Faith in Cities with 3 or more adjacent unimproved Forest tiles.
    The Huns - Scourge of God - Raze Cities at double speed. Borrow City names from other in-game Civs. Start with Animal Husbandry technology. +1 Production per Pasture.
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - Units ignore terrain costs when moving into any tile with Hills. No maintenance costs for improvements in Hills; half cost elsewhere.
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - Units move through Forest and Jungle in friendly territory as if they were Roads. These tiles can be used to establish City Connections upon researching The Wheel. Caravans move along Forest and Jungle as if they were Roads.
    The Maya - The Long Count - After researching Theology, receive a bonus Great Person at the end of every Maya Long Count calendar cycle (every 394 years). Each bonus person can only be chosen once.
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - Retains 50% of the Happiness benefits from a Luxury Resource if your last copy of it is traded away.
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - All melee naval units have the Prize Ships promotion, allowing them to capture defeated ships. Pay only one-third the usual cost for naval unit maintenance.
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - Founded cities start with additional territory. Units receive a combat bonus when fighting within their own territory.
    The Zulus - Iklwa - Melee units cost 50% less maintenance. All units require 25% less experience to earn their next promotion.
    Venice - Serenissima - Cannot gain settlers nor annex cities. Double the normal number of trade routes available. A Merchant of Venice appears after researching Optics. May purchase in puppeted cities.

    And to kick-start everything:

    America - Manifest Destiny - 20
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 20
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 20
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 20
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 20
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 20
    Japan - Bushido - 20 -3 = 17 - The UA everyone loves to hate, Bushido is pretty much worthless now that units have 100 HP instead of just 10.
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 20
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 20
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 20
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20 + 1= 21 - Sweden's UA gets too much grief, but, when used properly, will win the game for you whichever VC you decide to go for.
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20

    Eliminated UAs:
    #0 - Sweden (hahahaaaaaa!!!)
    #1 - Korea
    #2 - Babylon
    #3 - Poland
    #4 - The Inca
    #5 - Greece
    #6 - The Zulu
    #7 - The Maya
    #8 - Portugal
    #9 - Siam
    #10 - Sweden :)cry:)
    #11 - The Shoshone
    #12 - Carthage
    #13 - Persia
    #14 - Assyria
    #15 - China
    #16 - Russia
    #17 - Polynesia
    #18 - England
    #19 - Brazil
    #20 - The Aztecs
    #21 - Songhai
    #22 - Spain
    #23 - Indonesia
    #24 - Arabia
    #25 - Egypt
    #26 - Venice
    #27 - Germany
    #28 - Rome
    #29 - Byzantium
    #30 - The Iroquois
    #31 - The Huns
    #32 - Austria
    #33 - Denmark
    #34 - The Ottomans
    #35 - The Netherlands
    #36 - France
    #37 - India
    #38 - Morocco
    #39 - Japan
    #40 - The Celts
    #41 - Ethiopia
    #42 - America
    #43 - Mongolia
     
  2. Viregel

    Viregel , The Rt. Hon.

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    Well, someone would have to just start this...

    America - Manifest Destiny - 20
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 20
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 20
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 20
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 20
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21 For those who haven't tried it out, it is amazing. Essentially, it's 12 extra happiness, 24 if you do lux-for-lux trades.
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 20
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 17 Another UA that a lot of people love to hate. Not only is it giving you a very small advantage (a grand total of 27 gold per turn and 9 culture in the late game) but it also helps your opponents. If Morocco can only send trade routes to 1 civ, that's 3 extra gold, because it has to be a different civ each time (I think). If that other civ has two cities, then they can get 4 extra gold.
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 20
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20[/QUOTE]
     
  3. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    So, are we supposed to vote for our favorite/least favorite UA (Meaning almost everyone votes for Poland and slowly eliminates everyone else), or just UAs that we find better than what most people say?

    +1: Siam - As long as city states aren't overly contended by the AI and consulates/protect is still available to abuse, this UA can give a ton of extra culture, faith, and food with little effort.

    -3: America - The +1 sight is nice, but I'll just say it. Looking at all these UAs, I would choose almost all of them before America. You get a few better turns of early scouting, but other than that, the tile buying might save you a few hundred gold over the course of a game if you use it a lot. Compare that to the Shoshone, which has better scouts (pathfinders), and free extended territory, or to Spain, which gives you 600 gold minimum over the course of the game, and quite often a really powerful city or two. America just isn't as good as these other civs, even if it is useful.

    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 20
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 20
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 20
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 20
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 20
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 17
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 20
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 21
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20[/QUOTE]
     
  4. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    It works just like the other threads. Give +1 to a UA you (personally) like and -3 to one you (personally) dislike. But if you like a UA that you find better than what most people say, then by all means vote for it.
     
  5. DreadMuffin

    DreadMuffin Deity

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 20
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 20
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 20
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 17
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 20
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 21
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20
     
  6. arand86

    arand86 Warlord

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21 Science, science, science. Bablyon's UU and UB are considered very lackluster, yet they're arguably the best civ in the game. All points to their amazing UA.
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 20
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 17 God this is bad, hands down worst UA in the game. If you gave this UA to any other civ, it would pretty much just bash it into the ground; the only reason anybody uses Mongolia is for the keshiks and khans.
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 17
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 20
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 21
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20
     
  7. Enrico Swagolo

    Enrico Swagolo Deity

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 20
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 17
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14

    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21 (+1)

    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 21
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20[/QUOTE]

    +1 Poland - one of the best, if not THE best UA in the game. Can help with anything. Strong ability of a strong civ which also owns two decently good uniques.

    -3 Morocco - Morocco is a bad, overrated civ. The bonuses it gets in all areas are negligible. UA gives little early game and is unnoticeable later on, Kasbah will give you a whole +1 gold compared to farm and +1 production at the cost of -1 food, which is kinda pathetic. Comes late-ish on a tech that is definitely not my go-to in medieval (university tech is). Desert without Petra is still bad, so why even bother with this thing.

    Berbers would be great, but they're still horse units in a game that mostly hates melee, horses and armor, and loves ranged waaay too much. Hope Fall Patch nerfs ranged or gives massive buffs to all melee units with no exceptions (of course without buffing stuff like Camel Archers, which would be completely insane).
     
  8. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17 This ability is the protective trait of CiV, except worse because it only applies to larger civs. It is now completely outclassed by the Great Expanse.
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21 Extra science from all specialists plus extra science from tile improvements plus science boosts from scientific wonders makes Korea one of the best civs in the game IMO.
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 17
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21 (+1)
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 21
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 20
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20
     
  9. Gyra Solune

    Gyra Solune King

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21 - Super flexible as long as you really beat feet to a Religion. I'm personally fond of using that second Founder slot on Pilgrimage alongside something like World Church or Tithe as it creates this unstoppable Faith machine that only gets stronger the more you spread it, while you reap in an insane amount of cash and culture.
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 20
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 17
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 20
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 21
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17 - The Huns are fantastic at conquest. This is entirely due to their UUs. Their UA functionally amounts to 1 production from pastures for what practical effect it has. From a standpoint of Unique Abilities alone, this is by far the weakest in the game. Granted it's not necessarily needed, in all honesty the way the Huns are set up, they basically don't even need a UA, since their whole shtick is "be halfway to a Domination victory by the Medieval era", and era-specific conquest is best represented by UUs, but the fact remains, if all a civilization had were Unique Abilities, the Huns would be the worst of the lot.
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20
     
  10. pthmix

    pthmix Warlord

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17 - Yes, you could try to get all those Wonders to make full use of this UA (hint: You are not going to get them at higher difficulties). Or you could ignore the Renaissance Wonders and use your Musketeers to take some Cities, Wonders, Great Works, Places for Chateaux and potential Landmark sites.
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 17
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21 - Great UA. You get additional mobility, sight and more trading partners. It's especially great for a cultural victory. And if you want, you can also get the World Congress.
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 20
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20
     
  11. Nargluj

    Nargluj Chieftain

    Joined:
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    Messages:
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    Location:
    Västergötland, Sweden
    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 20
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14 - A really bad UA to even out two great UU.
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21 I really like roads, and more so, free roads. Inca is good too, but with this civ, you don't have to spend time build them.
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 20
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20
     
  12. Lorf Yimzo

    Lorf Yimzo Atheist

    Joined:
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    Messages:
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    Location:
    Empire of Colorado
    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 17 Only UA with a direct downside. Doesn't make India very flexible.
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21 - Great for expansion along with the added bonus of defense. Don't have to go out of your way to use.
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20
     
  13. Cyanfunk

    Cyanfunk The Lion

    Joined:
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    Messages:
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    Location:
    Huxley U.
    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 14 (-3) - loll at everything about this UA. It takes like six cities before it reaches positive feedback, and with how BNW handles unhappiness, rebels will probably tear your empire to pieces long before that.
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 21 (+1) - I'M SORRY I CAN'T HERE YOU OVER ALL THE MONEY THAT'S POURING INTO MY SWIMMING POOL AND MY LEGIONS OF CITY STATE ALLIES. EXCUSE ME WHILE I GET GUARANTEED SCIENCE AND DIPLOMATIC VICTORIES.
     
  14. jlim201

    jlim201 King

    Joined:
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    Messages:
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    Location:
    Somewhere North of the South Pole
    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 20
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 11 Isnt this the only "bad" UA?
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 21- Culture from war. Allows you to keep up with policies at war.
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 21 (+1)
     
  15. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Location:
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    I'm assuming this follows the same vote once a day rule as the others do?

    America - Manifest Destiny - 17
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 20
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17: Austria's coffee house is pretty decent, but this seems very situational at best. I like city state allies! They provide a ton, and this is a really expensive ability to get rid of something already good that you've already paid for and allied! Anyone want to explain to me why this ability is more useful than getting one late game costal city for the sydney opera house or mid game for a navy?
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 12 - This isn't the best one, but it's not the worst UA either as everyone seems to believe. Tall play has been greatly buffed in BNW, and India is already good at tall. Get some internal trade routes for that extra food, and enjoy your huge cities!
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 21
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 21
     
  16. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    Location:
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    Yes, it most assuredly does follow the same "voting pattern" rule. Probably should've mentioned that in the OP.
     
  17. TreYs

    TreYs Chieftain

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 14 A pretty mediocre UA if you ask me. Buying tiles should seldom be needed with a decent check on culture, and the +1 sight isn't really major, or anything.
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 21 This, combined with the Arabian UB, can result in a flourishment of gold across any era, even in a landlocked start. Then there's the oil bonus, which equates to near infinite bombers for the endgame.
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 12
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 21
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 21
     
  18. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    America - Manifest Destiny - 14
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 21
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 20
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 12
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22 Forget Babylon, this civ is a true science powerhouse. Add secularism and you get +3 :c5science: per specialist.
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 21
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 20
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 17 Not really impressive. I recommend adding a sea trade route buff to this civ, like caro ships traveling 50% further as the Dutch.
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 21
     
  19. Brettapod

    Brettapod Chieftain

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    Messages:
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    America - Manifest Destiny - 14
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 21
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 21
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 17 It can help get a early wonder a tad faster, but most people hard-build two, maybe three wonders at most. Later on, your Great Engineers will do any wonder building for you.
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 12
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 21
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 21 I'm currently obsessed with everything Incan (IRL and in-game), so this may be slightly biased. Either way, I think Great Andean Road is great, because in my current game, if I played a civ other than Incan, I would be paying about 20 gold in Road Maintenance. Instead, I pay 2 GPT. That's very powerful.
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 21
     
  20. AW Arcaeca

    AW Arcaeca Deus Vult

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 13 (-1) Tiles just aren't that expensive to buy anyway.
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 21
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 21
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 21
    Brazil - Carnival - 20
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 22 (+1) I absolutely MUST found a religion in each game I play, as it's the main reason I even got the G&K expansion pack. And this UA enhances religion like no other.
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 20
    China - Art of War - 20
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 17
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 17
    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 17
    France - City of Light - 17
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 20
    Greece - Hellenic League - 20
    India - Population Growth - 11 (-1) Why would I want a harmful UA? I prefer to go 'wide' than 'tall'.
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 21
    Japan - Bushido - 17
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 21
    Mongolia - Mongol Terror - 14
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland - Solidarity - 21
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 20
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 20
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 21
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 21
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 17
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 21
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 21
    The Maya - The Long Count - 20
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 20
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 20
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 20
    Venice - Serenissima - 20 (-1) I hate OCCs.
     
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