Unique Ability Elimination Thread

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Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
France - City of Light - 4
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 27
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 6
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 26
The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
Venice - Serenissima - 15

The CS bonus is the only reason why people play creece. Byzantium's ability seems a bit boring and passive to me.
 
vibe96 said:
The CS bonus is the only reason why people play Greece.
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So we will just ignore the 2 awesome Classic age UU they get?
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
France - City of Light - 0 sigh...how the mighty have fallen...France is such a weak Civ nowadays, feel bad for them.
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 6
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 26
The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
Venice - Serenissima - 15
 
\Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20 Nothing more satisfying than turning a useless admiral or GWAM into an insta-ally
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 3 I just don't use it...
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 26
The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
Venice - Serenissima - 15[/QUOTE]
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 0 Used to be good at the beginning of the game when you could sell all luxuries for a lump sum and still have some happiness to work with but limiting lump sum trading to DoFs really nerfed a UA that already wasn't that great. I can't figure out why they didn't get a little tweaking when the trade system was added. Extending the range of cargo ships similar to Arabia's caravans or something small like that.
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 26
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23 Even though I think Furor Teutonicus does save more money on unit maintenance it's still a pretty decent savings and the increased speed for promotions is just fantastic, it works really well with their UB.
Venice - Serenissima - 15
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27 + I love having a big empire. I prefer peaceful expansion and then defending that and the bonus is good for that while the extra tiles let me have fewer cities which helps in BNW with the same amount of land.
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 12 - Couldn't stand only having 1 city. And why do you need that many trade routes from 1 city anyway? Easy plundering
 
greygamer said:
Do you only play on quick pace? I have been on the receiving end of a Greek Classic era expansion and it is not fun.
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Most AI's are strongest in the classical era. The unit spam they get in higher difficulties can exaggerate how good their UU's are.
 
29. The Glory of Rome
30. The Great Warpath
31. Scourge of God
32. Diplomatic Marriage
33. Viking Fury
34. Barbary Corsairs
35. Dutch East India Company
36. City of Light
37. Population Growth
38. Gateway to Africa
39- Bushido
40. Druidic Lore
41. Sprit of Adwa
42. Manifest destiny
43. Mongol terror
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 19- The Mayan ability seems quite weak. It only starts in the medieval, and gives you a great person infrequently.
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 13- The ability seems OP as you have no additional culture cost, tons of money and immediate National Wonders. I get why players that play simply for war wont like it because you can only build units in one city, but you can always buy them with the ton of cash you have.
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 8
Why play Austria when Venice can do the exact same thing but without having to be an ally first and loose all the money you invested in a valuable city state PLUS have twice the trade routes and the ability to buy in puppets? Coffee Houses? Not bloody likely.
Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
I'm surprised, this is the only thing on the list that literally no one has voted on yet.
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 7
Even if you never go to war with the huns, you're still getting a free tech and extra hammers from all your pastures. This is much like Japan's UA in that it makes you notice that there are more pastures on the map than you previously thought. People make the mistake of thinking that just because they're the huns, that you need to win domination with them. Not the case. The Huns are better as a peace civ than most of the others on this list due to what is mentioned above.
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 12
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 8
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 7
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 2
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 12

Voting Babylon up for science, probably going to vote some other guys up next time since that puts them over 30.

Setting up the Ottomans for elimination. I'd rather have England's UA on a water map.
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 8
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 20 Nothing wrong with enchanced GGs to use in your conquests.
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 7
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 14 Extra movements on forests is cool, except that you can only do it within your own borders. What a bummer.
The Maya - The Long Count - 22
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 2
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 12
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 8
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 20 Nothing wrong with enchanced GGs to use in your conquests.
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 7
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 14 Extra movements on forests is cool, except that you can only do it within your own borders. What a bummer.
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 2
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 13

My vote was missed
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 8
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 20
Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 22 This power is so fun, playing for happiness and timing wars around golden ages is so delightfully ironic.
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 20
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 7
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 14
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 0 - I have a chance to kill off this rather weak ability, and I'll take it
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 13
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 8
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 20
Denmark - Viking Fury - 4 - This UA feels like the next weakest link.
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23 Jern missed 1 more vote up.
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 22 - An epic UA on huge maps. Great for a cultural and diplomatic victory.
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 7
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 14
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 13
 
Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 4 Used to be a great UA but the Ally nerf really killed it imo. It just costs too much to DM a CS that's probably better off as your ally.
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 17
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 22 I like to plant aggressive citadels when I'm at war and I always have use for more generals, especially stronger ones.
Denmark - Viking Fury - 4
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 31
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
Songhai - River Warlord - 20
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 22
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
The Huns - Scourge of God - 7
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 14
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 27
The Zulus - Iklwa - 23
Venice - Serenissima - 13
 
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