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Unique Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by cpm4001, Sep 29, 2013.

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  1. Werty1066

    Werty1066 Chieftain

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    Not necessarily, quicker razing means shorter happiness penalties allowing you to stay on the warpath.
     
  2. nothanks

    nothanks Chieftain

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 10 - 4 = 6 BNW killed the awesome French UA from before with this. If it was all cities, it would still not be close to being overpowered.
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth -6
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 8
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 25
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 8
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - = 29
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 2 + 2 = 4 It's not about the razing, but the +1 production to every pasture. That's hugely powerful in the first hundred turns (and way better than the Russian version of this). Plus, their UA starts them with AH, so they can get those pastures up right away. No way is it one of the weakest.
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 13
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  3. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 6
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth -6
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 8
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 25
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 4 A really pathetic UA. I'll be honest I probably should have beat up on this before Serenissima, it's that sad. Probably the only reason I didn't was because my Moroccan game went really smoothly and I restarted Venice a couple times.
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - = 29
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6 This is one of the better production UAs in the early game. When was the last time you didn't hear sheep baaing, cows mooing or horses neighing when the screen is over land? The city razing is really helpful for early domination when you generally don't have a huge happiness surplus especially now that every point of global unhappiness hurts you. The free tech is just the icing on the cake that will let you use it sooner and get to your horse archers that much faster. Everything about the Huns is about fast early dominance.
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 13
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  4. Unitedsquadron2

    Unitedsquadron2 Chieftain

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    It's every 24 hours right?
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 6
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth -6
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 9 - It used to be horrible, but it's amazing how much culture the atolls and fishing boats can get you early game on coastal starts.
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 25
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 4
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity = 29
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14 - 15% production increase in building that already existed in the capital used to be good, but now with tall being ultimately dominant, it's like no UA at all.
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 13
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  5. Twistable

    Twistable Chieftain

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 6
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 2 -The unhappiness early game is too much of a hassle to deal with.
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 9
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 25
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 4
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31 - Social policies help with any victory condition.
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 13
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  6. jacer21

    jacer21 Chieftain

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 - City of light coupled with Aesthetics will generate you some pretty decent tourism. It does rely on getting a few wonders, but with the tourism buffs in the fall patch France all of a sudden becomes a much more flexible civ.
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 2
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 5 - Boring. This UA is so passive you might as well ignore it. The new culture changes are nice, but doesn't quite make up for the other half of the UA.
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 25
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 4
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 13
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  7. greygamer

    greygamer Feudal Lord

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    So play Rome as a fast expanding Republic to maximise on the UA, more cities with quicker Libraries = more cities before you complete the NC rather than delaying expansion until after you build the NC. More cities also means a better chance of getting Iron inside your borders.

    I can't help feeling that some are voting down UAs because they don't like that civ.
     
  8. Sake

    Sake Warlord

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    So it's +2 -4 now, huh? If so, then let's keep it like that so it doesn't confuse anymore.

    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 24 - Beelining military techs and stealing civil techs is fun.
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 -
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 2
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 5 -
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 25
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 4
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 9 - I don't like Dutch UA. Arabian bazaar does the same trick more effectively. Bazaar gives you extra luxury to sell, but this just saves you 2 happiness when you sell last copy. This whole UA is overshadowed by bazaar, and therefore it's not that 'unique'.
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  9. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 24
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 -
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12 Buffed UA enables Germany to recruit an army actively without involving cities.
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 2
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 1 - Disappointing buff in recent patch. More should be done to boost not just the UA but the civ as a whole.
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 25
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 4
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 9
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  10. Teagen

    Teagen Warlord

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 24
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 -
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 2
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Japan- Bushido - 0 - I really feel like this UA is most useful for the AI that suicides units more often. For a human player it's almost not noticeable.
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 26 It just works perfect for me
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 4
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 9
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  11. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 26 makes warmongering so much fun. Even cities you plan to raze give great benefit. Play tall and leave room for the AI to expand then capture, raze and repeat until they have nothing left to steal. Then just eliminate them.
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 -
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 2
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 26
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 0 Putting it out of its misery
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 25
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 9
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  12. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 26
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 -
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 0, or -1 The only ability with a direct negative. You could say Venice has one, but with only puppets, you have low culture cost, and can build Nat. Wonders quickly.
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 26
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26- Basically free roads, and hills are very common.
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 9
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  13. Zaimejs

    Zaimejs Emperor

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22 I want to like this one, but in all the times I have played them, I have never had a chance to capture an enemy city. I fall behind so fast so early.
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 15 Despite the added unhappiness, I have come back from behind by taking some decent cities. And when I'm playing against her, she just starts grabbing cities left and right, so I have to react. I don't like it, but it is powerful!
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 -
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 0, or -1
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 26
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 9
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  14. striker4life360

    striker4life360 Chieftain

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 15
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 27
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18 -
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8 -
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 0, or -1
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 27- Free Secularism from the beginning of the game plus more
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 6 - Get a Bazzar
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 10
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima -
     
  15. DeathwatchBob

    DeathwatchBob Chieftain

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 15
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 27
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 24
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 6
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 24
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15

    More science from Babylon gets you more everything.

    The reduced maintenance cost from Barbary Corsairs is okay (although usually I'm using a fairly small, elite navy). But in addition to not really liking the randomness of the other half of the UA, I usually don't start domination on water maps until Frigates/Privateers anyway...
     
  16. Jernfrau

    Jernfrau Chieftain

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 15
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 27
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20 Doesn't have nearly enough benefits to culture
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 6
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 26 It is great to have all that extra land, especially right of the bat
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  17. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11 So you're saying I have to spend money on a city state, and then spend more money on it to get it in to my empire? I'd just rather have it as an ally.
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 18
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 8
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 24 City States are awesome, and being able to ally all of them is pretty sweet.
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 27
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 6
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 26
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
  18. greygamer

    greygamer Feudal Lord

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    Interesting that you pick two UA that work against each other, I expect you hate getting Austria as an AI oponent
     
  19. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    I have the exact opposite of Redwings' opinion when it comes to Greece and Austria: Greece in my games makes CS competition difficult whilst Austria AI loves buying its CS allies away, thus lowering the number of votes needed for diplomatic victory. That's how I beat my Siamese Immortal game. :lol:
     
  20. Jernfrau

    Jernfrau Chieftain

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    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 11
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 29
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 20
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 23 - Free harbours? yes please!
    China - Art of War - 18
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 8
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 15
    France - City of Light - 4 - It is good, but greatly under-powered. What stings is how awesome France used to be.
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
    Greece - Hellenic League - 24
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 27
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 31
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 23
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 14
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 6
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 26
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 22
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 6
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 6
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 26
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 15
     
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