Unique Unit Elimination Thread

[TopGearFanatic]

Mandekalu Cavalry 25
Immortal 16
Foreign Legion 34
Naresuan elephant 30
Chu-Ko-Nu 31
Samurai 32
Janissary 36

 

[cccv]

As for why i'm lowering janissaries, it's to give the others a bit more of a chance to win this thing!

Great, another person who doesn't understand how this thread works -.- If the jans don't win it should be with an asterisk, because at least 90% of the downvoters are downvoting them because they're "too far ahead." Again, I don't give a crap why you think they're the worst, as long as you actually do think so for any reason at all.

My vote for the day:

Mandekalu Cavalry 25
Immortal 16
Foreign Legion 34
Naresuan elephant 30
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 32
Janissary 37

It's hard now, none of the units left don't belong here with the legions and longbowmen gone. The chu ko nu are good, but their best use is to build them in the window in which you can still build xbowmen but can also build riflemen, and upgrade them to riflemen. Using them as xbowmen isn't great for two reasons: 1-- you get promotions that don't transfer over to the riflemen, and 2-- the extra attacks use up movement points, so the only way you can actually get two attacks off is if your target is in range already when you start your turn. This makes them extra vulnerable if you're trying to attack twice with them. More often than not you'll be moving in and attacking, therefore not getting any advantage over the normal xbowmen, and in fact getting a disadvantage because their attack is weaker than the normal xbowmen.

 

[urbancamper]

Mandekalu Cavalry 25
Immortal 16
Foreign Legion 34
Naresuan elephant 30
Chu-Ko-Nu 27
Samurai 33
Janissary 37

 

[vexing]

The chu ko nu are good, but their best use is to build them in the window in which you can still build xbowmen but can also build riflemen

no such window; crossbowmen go obsolete at rifling. you need to build them beforehand.

 

[cccv]

no such window; crossbowmen go obsolete at rifling. you need to build them beforehand.

Really? I could have sworn I had that window in a game. Must be misremembering. ok, then I guess you have to build them beforehand and not use them too much to get the best out of them.

 

[Resident Mario]

Mandekalu Cavalry 26 ( + 1 )
Immortal 14 ( - 2 )
Foreign Legion 34
Naresuan elephant 30
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 32
Janissary 37

I don't like Immortals too much. I just...don't.

 

[sukritact]

Mandekalu Cavalry 26
Immortal 14
Foreign Legion 34
Naresuan elephant 31
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 30
Janissary 37

The additional great generals aren't really worth much imo. Unless you're actively going to war with every other civ the only thing i find great generals are good for are golden ages...

 

[Kevin J]

Mandekalu Cavalry 26
Immortal 15
Foreign Legion 34
Naresuan elephant 31
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 30
Janissary 35

@cccv I think *you* fail to understand the rules. There is nothing suggesting you ought to vote down the UU you see as the worst. Use any criteria whatsoever - personally, I vote down the one that is most out of place, and right now, it's Jans - they are simply *not* the best to me. Jans are not the best unit for me, not by a long-shot. Very short window of opportunity, very late in the game for an early warmonger - i.e., a useless unit, coming in once the game is won.

I've often found the votes people make to be incomprehensible, at least to my playstyle. My favourite was voted out early, after all. But certainly no need for multiple rants about people doing it wrong. It's all in good fun!

 

[Sparthage]

Mandekalu Cavalry 26
Immortal 13
Foreign Legion 34
Naresuan elephant 31
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 30
Janissary 36

@Kevin J: Correct, there is nothing in the rules that says so. But most people here are voting based upon what they think is best and worst. For example: Out of what is left, I find the Janissary is best and out of what is left, the Immortal is at the bottom.

 

[cccv]

@cccv I think *you* fail to understand the rules. There is nothing suggesting you ought to vote down the UU you see as the worst. Use any criteria whatsoever - personally, I vote down the one that is most out of place, and right now, it's Jans - they are simply *not* the best to me. Jans are not the best unit for me, not by a long-shot. Very short window of opportunity, very late in the game for an early warmonger - i.e., a useless unit, coming in once the game is won.

Yes, there is something suggesting it. Look at the first post. It refers back to the first elimination thread that was done on civs where it explicitly says the point is to find out which civ we think is the best. As I already explained to the last person who tried to say that:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10548794&postcount=332

So yes, the purpose is to put the UUs in order of best to worst by overall opinion. People should be voting down the one they consider thew worst, not "the one that's winning because it's winning by too much and that's just not nice."

If you honestly consider them the worst for the reason you stated, cool. But others are explicitly saying they just want to make it a more even "fight."

 

[Kevin J]

Yes, there is something suggesting it. Look at the first post. It refers back to the first elimination thread that was done on civs where it explicitly says the point is to find out which civ we think is the best. As I already explained to the last person who tried to say that:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10548794&postcount=332

So yes, the purpose is to put the UUs in order of best to worst by overall opinion. People should be voting down the one they consider thew worst, not "the one that's winning because it's winning by too much and that's just not nice."

If you honestly consider them the worst for the reason you stated, cool. But others are explicitly saying they just want to make it a more even "fight."

In linked post: "In order to find the best civ based on player opinion.."


I *had* missed that, so thanks for the clarification. However, this in no way implies that we should always vote down the "worst* on the current list. In fact, I'd suggest it's best to vote down the most out of place one in order to get the most accurate list - if the worst is already in last place, and the best isn't in first, you make the overall list closer to your internal list of best to worst by voting down the current leader.

I see nothing wrong with 'strategic' voting in order to try to get the end result closer to how you feel is the most accurate. If the current #2 is my choice for best, and the current #1 is not, I move the overall list 3 points closer to my version of the "correct" list by voting down the #1. I'd be foolish not to!

(And player opinion can be based on any number of things. I might think a certain unit is best because it has a spiffy hat. That's the thing with opinions, they aren't always based on things others will agree with. I find *much* on these forums I disagree with, but it's generally best to let it pass, people become very vested in their opinions - reasonable or not.)

 

[cccv]

In linked post: "In order to find the best civ based on player opinion.."


I *had* missed that, so thanks for the clarification. However, this in no way implies that we should always vote down the "worst* on the current list. In fact, I'd suggest it's best to vote down the most out of place one in order to get the most accurate list - if the worst is already in last place, and the best isn't, you make the overall list closer to your internal list of best to worst by voting down the current leader.

I see nothing wrong with 'strategic' voting in order to try to get the end result closer to how you feel is the most accurate.

Yeah, I'm cool with strategic voting. It's the "let's make it closer so it's more fun!" crowd that should find better reasons. It's not that I really consider the thread serious business, but it would be nice if it at least tried to reach a consensus on the UU rankings. Plus I'm trying really hard not to work right now >.>

 

[vexing]

Mandekalu Cavalry 26
Immortal 14
Foreign Legion 32
Naresuan elephant 31
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 30
Janissary 36

early > late

 

[MadDjinn]

Mandekalu Cavalry 24 -2
Immortal 14
Foreign Legion 32
Naresuan elephant 32 +1
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 30
Janissary 36

direct comparable here... at least on Deity, hitting Mande Cav with fast RAs just means you've caught up to the AI who already got there. So you're still dealing with Pikes/their knights/LSs.

meanwhile... Elephant stomp!

 

[Resident Mario]

Sparthage, you needa update the list already...

 

[Bezurn]

Mandekalu Cavalry 24
Immortal 14
Foreign Legion 32
Naresuan elephant 32
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 31 +1
Janissary 34 -2

I've already stated numerous reasons why I don't think Jan's are that hot. Now that a few weaker units have left switching from Immortal to Samurai. Samurai have a much longer window to build bulks of and get some units very close to march.

 

[Hasire]

Mandekalu Cavalry 24
Immortal 12
Foreign Legion 32
Naresuan elephant 32
Chu-Ko-Nu 29
Samurai 31
Janissary 35

 

[HarryLime]

Mandekalu Cavalry 24
Immortal 10
Foreign Legion 32
Naresuan elephant 32
Chu-Ko-Nu 30
Samurai 31
Janissary 35

 

[sabs050]

Mandekalu Cavalry 24
Immortal 8
Foreign Legion 32
Naresuan elephant 32
Chu-Ko-Nu 30
Samurai 31
Janissary 36

 

[Optical]

Mandekalu Cavalry 24
Immortal 6
Foreign Legion 32
Naresuan elephant 32
Chu-Ko-Nu 30
Samurai 31
Janissary 37