Unique Unit Elimination Thread

[cpm4001]

B17 18
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Immortal 3
Impi 34
Jaguar 20 - 3 = 17 - Spamming Warriors destroys your economy.
Janissary 34
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 20
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 24 + 1 = 25 - So powerful you can overlook that they're a lancer replacement.

 

[sendos]

B17 18
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 28 - Never tried Russia yet but I know that AI Cossacks are rather dangerous with their combat bonus against wounded units. Furthermore, that unique promotion is marked as a yellow up arrow, rather than the sword and + symbol. Could this mean you could get both combat bonus against wounded units on a cossack (i.e. a 66% combat bonus against wounded units)?
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Immortal 0 - the extra heal upgrade is great, but there's a natural wonder that gives the same heal buff. And if only you could upgrade them into rifleman...but it's not possible (unless you still play vanilla). Goodbye Immortal.
Impi 34
Jaguar 17
Janissary 34
Keshik 32 McUgly only deducted 2 points from Keshik. Supposed to deduct 3. Check Bison's post and you'll see that the keshik score was 35.
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 20
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 25

[Keshiks] always seemed pretty useless to me...

Hit and run, my friend. Hit and run. The AI follows this tactic at times, too.

 

[BUDISMYBUDDY]

B17 18-3= 15
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 28
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 34
Jaguar 17
Janissary 34
Keshik 32+1= 33 why anyone would deduct this is beyond my comprehension
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 20
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 25

 

[General McUgly]

B17 18
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 28 - Never tried Russia yet but I know that AI Cossacks are rather dangerous with their combat bonus against wounded units. Furthermore, that unique promotion is marked as a yellow up arrow, rather than the sword and + symbol. Could this mean you could get both combat bonus against wounded units on a cossack (i.e. a 66% combat bonus against wounded units)?
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Immortal 0 - the extra heal upgrade is great, but there's a natural wonder that gives the same heal buff. And if only you could upgrade them into rifleman...but it's not possible (unless you still play vanilla). Goodbye Immortal.
Impi 34
Jaguar 17
Janissary 34
Keshik 32 McUgly only deducted 2 points from Keshik. Supposed to deduct 3. Check Bison's post and you'll see that the keshik score was 35.
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 20
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 25



Hit and run, my friend. Hit and run. The AI follows this tactic at times, too.

I do hit-and runs, but I don't use them as my main strategy. I use mounted units to hit soft targets or to pillage important resources usually, and the lighter horsemen and lancers/cavalry work good for that. I didn't like them in Civ IV as a UU either.

"So same rules as before each unit starts with 20 points, with each vote you get +1 vote for the unit you like, -2 vote for the unit you dislike. Only 1 vote per 24 hours. Also try to justify your answers."

 

[BUDISMYBUDDY]

I do hit-and runs, but I don't use them as my main strategy. I use mounted units to hit soft targets or to pillage important resources usually, and the lighter horsemen and lancers/cavalry work good for that. I didn't like them in Civ IV as a UU either.

keshiks and camels can take over entire continents without ever taking damage. now thats serious

 

[redwings1340]

"So same rules as before each unit starts with 20 points, with each vote you get +1 vote for the unit you like, -2 vote for the unit you dislike. Only 1 vote per 24 hours. Also try to justify your answers."

Over the course of the thread a downvote was changed to a -3.

 

[BasedGod]

as this appears to be causing confusion I will update the OP

 

[Sake]

So, it's just Top 20 left... We are getting closer to the end.

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 28
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 35
Jaguar 17
Janissary 34
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 20
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 25

Berber: Downvoting on anything was really hard choice, because i like all remaining units. But i think berbers are weakest on this list. 75% on home desert is so good, but it is situational too. What if you don't spawn on giant desert? Morocco doesn't have desert bias (i rerolled few times with morocco and took about 5 times before i got desert). 25% home bonus is more reliable and good when defending your own lands.

Impi: I have to say, these are powerhouses, even in AI's hands, pikeman that has extra attack, combined with 1+ movement, better flanking bonuses and range defense from Ikanda. They can fight toe-to-toe with any unit until industrial era, pretty much. Also, works perfectly with Zulu UA, 50% less maintenance of melee units allows Impi spam.

 

[jlim201]

15. Jaguar
16. B17
17. Minuteman
18. Horse Archer
19. Hussar
20. Berber Cavalry
21. Immortal
22. Conquistador
23. Tercio
24. Hwacha
25. Battering Ram
26. Companion Cavalry
27. Pictish Warrior
28. Legion
29. Mohawk Warrior
30- Berserker
31. A. F. Elephant
32. Musketeer
33. Sipahi
34. Nau
35. Norwegian Ski Infantry
36. Turtle Ship
37. War elephant
38. Cataphract
39. Dromon
40. Samurai
41. Panzer
42. Mandekalu Cavalry
43. Mehal Sefari
44. Great Galleass
45. Comanche rider
46. Kris swordsman
47. Ballista
48. Hoplite
49, Bowmen
50. Hakkas
51. Pracinha
52. Maori Warrior
53. Slinger
54. Atlatlist
55. Quinquereme
56. Landsknecht
57. Zero
58. War Chariot

 

[jlim201]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 28
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 35
Jaguar 17
Janissary 35- The amazing bloodsuckers.
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 17- Musketmen with scout abilities. Not too special.
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 25

 

[vibe96]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 25 - A decent unit, but not really special. Also Russia seems to be a pretty boring civ
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 35
Jaguar 17
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 18- I nice unit for a modern-warfare civ
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 25

 

[Pepo]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 29they can kill a lot when well use.will kill many MANY riflemens and gatlings
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 35
Jaguar 17
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 14- so no terrain cost?that is not that usefull.in fact the tercio (R.I.P)is much better
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 35
Winged Hussar 25

 

[Teagen]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 29
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 35
Jaguar 14 BNW has made it almost impossible to do warrior spam (no money...)
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 14
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 36 I like them! Plus the UA along with it
Winged Hussar 25

 

[Sake]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 26
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 35
Jaguar 14
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 15
Naresuan's Elephant 23
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 36
Winged Hussar 25

Pepo missed vibe's post.

 

[cpm4001]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 26
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 10
Impi 35
Jaguar 14
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 15 + 1 = 16 - Uh...Barracks + Armory = Drill III Musketmen who ignore terrain and are one promotion away from getting promoted to March. They're bad?
Naresuan's Elephant 23 - 3 = 20 - Can't think of anything else to downvote.
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 36
Winged Hussar 25

 

[Njegos]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 14
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 27 They are great and most of all they make a hell of a t-34´s which follows a russian lore (and modern era wars are very important now)
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 7 They are good but now its very hard to make a downvote choice
Impi 35
Jaguar 14
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 16 -
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 36
Winged Hussar 25

 

[redwings1340]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 11 My goal is to kill off all the horses before anything else.
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 7
Impi 35
Jaguar 14
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 17 - This guy got buffed in the fall patch, and was already quite good.
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 36
Winged Hussar 25

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 11
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 37
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 8 Their increased flanking damage plays perfectly into the strength of mounted units, to surround their opponents. They also make great spotters for artillery. Out of the three cavalry UUs left this is my favorite because it pairs so well with artillery and the other two depend on certain circumstances and these really don't. I've had good results just rushing dynamite and skipping rifling for a bit because of these guys.
Impi 35
Jaguar 14
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 14 - I'm amazed these outlasted Tercios and musketeers which are both superior units imo
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 36
Winged Hussar 25

 

[Matthew.]

B17 15
Berber Cavalry 11
Camel Archer 35
Carolean 36
Chu-Ko-Nu 38
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 17
Hussar 8
Impi 35
Jaguar 14
Janissary 35
Keshik 33
Longbowman 38
Minutemen 14
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 33
Winged Hussar 25

C'mon guys, Siege Tower at 36 points while the Ram is voted off? Sure, makes "missing that awesome spot" a non-issue in the early game, since you can just take it with ease, but it doesn't have the same longevity as the other 30+ point units here.

Also, my daily love for Chu's: A recent game reminded me of how useful crossbows are for cutting down unit spam in 1UPT. You can only have so many units in one area, and double attack essentially allows you to double that number. Can almost think of them as stacks of two in a 1UPT game.

And just to troll: longbows are still subject to terrain, so while it needs the right map conditions to allow a third row to attack (no indirect fire like artillery), Chu's are guaranteed to get there two shots off.

 

[jlim201]

C'mon guys, Siege Tower at 36 points while the Ram is voted off? Sure, makes "missing that awesome spot" a non-issue in the early game, since you can just take it with ease, but it doesn't have the same longevity as the other 30+ point units here.
off.

The ram is out mostly because it replaces spears, and a lot of people use spears for early game utility usage.