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Discussion in 'Civ4 - World 2009 Mod' started by NikNaks, May 22, 2008.

  1. Amogos

    Amogos P.R.A.S.C.O.

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    Lots of ideas are here but are all over the place so what do we have so far? I also unique units for America: Abrams Tank
     
  2. hevehoc

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    yes the Abrams tank would be a very good choice i think.
     
  3. Amogos

    Amogos P.R.A.S.C.O.

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    Israel's UU should be the Merkava (Desert Warfair Tank) and anouther unit: APC
     
  4. sheep21

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    Unique Unites eh?
    UK:
    Army
    Challenger II MBT
    FV510 Warrior AFV
    AS-90 155-mm self-propelled howitzer
    L118 Light Gun
    Rapier FSC SAM
    FV101 Scorpion light tank


    RAF\Fleet Air Arm\Army Air Corps
    Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4
    Tornado GR4
    BAE Harrier GR9A
    Westland WAH-64 Apache
    Westland Lynx

    Royal Navy\Royal Fleet Auxillary
    Type 45 DD
    Astute Class SSN
    Invincible Class CV upgraded to Queen Elisabeth Class CV in 2014
    Trafalgar class SSN
    Vanguard Class SSBN
    Type 42 DD
    Type 23 FF
    Albion Class Landins Ship Dock
    Ocean Class Landing Ship Helicopter


    EU

    EU Ground Forces
    Leopard II

    EU Naval Forces:
    Charles De Gaulle Class Nuclear CV supplemented by PA2 (Future French aircraft carrier) possibly
    Horizon class Destroyer (although officialy called frigates)
    Type 212 submarine
    Mistral class amphibious assault ship
    Le Triomphant class SSN

    EU Airfcraft:
    Rafael (Naval Version)
    Eurofighter Typhoon

    just a start, if the armed forces are going to be of a similiar detail level of those in world 2004
     
  5. Amogos

    Amogos P.R.A.S.C.O.

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    Can we make a spy unit that fights when it gets caught? Like a Ghost Unit.
     
  6. sheep21

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    how about make it so that if the spy mission fails theres a 50% it will commit suicide to avoid capture, if it suceeds the country you attacked doesnt know who it was and no diplomatic -points?
     
  7. Amogos

    Amogos P.R.A.S.C.O.

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    I was thinking that when a Ghost lands on an enemy tile there would be a 30% chance of getting caught, if it does get caught then it would attack the unit like regular combat.
     
  8. hevehoc

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    will the enemy know whos spy unit it is when the battle commences?
     
  9. Amogos

    Amogos P.R.A.S.C.O.

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    50% chance.
     
  10. hevehoc

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    sounds like a fair chance.
     
  11. Gooblah

    Gooblah Heh...

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    Air Units

    Joint Strike Fighter (this is the generic term for next-gen fighters, not specifically American)
    Stealth Bomber
    Jet Bomber
    Jet Fighter
    Helicopter Gunship
    Air Transport Vessel - can airlift 4 units

    Naval Units

    Submarine
    Destroyer
    Frigate
    Aircraft Carrier
    Cruiser
    Amphibious Assault Vessel (Landing Craft)

    Missiles

    Missiles should have the ability to sink ships, not damage them. Submarines tend to pose the greatest threat to modern-day navies, due to the prevalence of shallow-water naval operations (and the greater stealth capabilities of modern subs). Missiles can wreak havoc on carrier groups if the submarine is not detected early enough. Thus, Submarines should have the ability to carry Missiles, and use them.
     
  12. NikNaks

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  13. sheep21

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    bear in mind there will have to a huuuge variation in the quailty of the various units available. Irans two baic 1970's frigates would be eaten alive by any western naval vessel.
     
  14. Gooblah

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    True. I'm just thrwoing those out there as basic unit platforms from which to make Unique Units.
     
  15. NikNaks

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    Yes, and for that it seems to work well. Perhaps we could do with a few extra classes, though.
     
  16. sheep21

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    An edited listy with some example classes, the countries are those who researched\originally produced them and may differ from current users:

    Air Units
    5th Generation Jet Fighter:
    - F-35 Lighting II\JCA (US\UK\Italy) (In low level production)
    - F-22 Raptor (US) (Only 5th generation in service)

    4.5th Generation Jet Fighter
    - Eurofighter Typhoon (UK\Germany\Spain\Italy)
    - F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (US)
    - F-16 Block 50/52 and later models (US)
    - Chengdu J-10 (PRC)

    4th Generation Jet Fighter
    - Panavia Tornado (UK\Germany\Italy)
    - JF-17 Thunder (PRC\Pakistan)
    - Sukhoi Su-27 (USSR)
    - Mikoyan MiG-31 (USSR)
    - Dassault Mirage 2000 (France)
    - F-16 Fighting Falcon
    - F/A-18 Hornet (US)

    3rd Generation Jet Fighter (Most likely the most basic types to be seen in the game seen mainly in African countries, they should be non buildable starting units to reflect the fact none of the countries with the capability to build them no longer do so)
    - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/bis 'Fishbed' (USSR)
    - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 'Flogger' (USSR)
    - Sukhoi Su-17 'Fitter' (USSR)
    - F4 Phantom II (US)
    - Northrop F-5 (US)

    Stealth Bomber
    - B-2 Spirit (US) - ONLY Stealth Bomber in service and with no non US designs even in development, stealth bomber should be a US UU.

    Strategic Bombers
    - Tupolev Tu-22M (USSR)
    - B-52 Stratofortress(US)
    - Tupolev Tu-95\Tupolev Tu-142 (USSR)
    - General Dynamics F-111 (US)
    - Tupolev Tu-160 (USSR\Russian Federation)

    Helicopter Gunship

    - AH-64 Apache (US) - Westland WAH-64 Apache (UK)
    - Eurocopter Tiger (Germany\Austria\French\Spain)
    - Kamov Ka-50 (USSR)
    - AH-1 Cobra (US)
    - Mil Mi-24 (USSR)
    - Mil Mi-28 (USSR)

    Air Transport Vessel
    - Lockheed C-130 Hercules (US) (medium range & 2 unit airlift)
    - Airbus A400M (EU) (medium range & 3 unit airlift)
    - C-17 Globemaster III (US) (Medium Range & 3 Unit Airlift)
    - Lockheed C-5 Galaxy (US) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)
    - Antonov An-124 (USSR) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)
     
  17. hevehoc

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    i think that the swedish (hope you don't think i'm too patriotic XD ) SAAB JAS 39 Gripen (JAS would be = Jakt (Fighter), Attack, Spaning (Recognizing).
     
  18. sheep21

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    not being too patriotic, I have left out plenty of aircraft as there are just so many. As I recall sweden is doing a nice little export trade off'f the back of that paticular aircraft.

    I think in future I will do the list so it includes manufacturer & current users.
     
  19. sheep21

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    Right, from now on its going to be thus:

    Unit (country where built) (current users) - notes


    Naval Units

    SSN: Attack Submarine (Nuclear-Powered) - some of the most modern ones can carry Cruise Missiles for land attack
    - Astute class submarine (UK) (UK) (first boat in commission 2009)
    - Trafalger Class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
    - Swifture class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
    - Virginia class submarine (US) (US)
    - Seawolf class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
    - Los Angeles class submarine (US) (US) -non buildable starting unit
    - Graney class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) (in service 2010)
    - Akula class submarine (USSR) (Russia\India) - non buildable starting unit
    - Sierra I&II class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
    - Victor III class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
    - Barracuda class submarine (France) (France) (first boat in commision 2016)
    - Rubis class submarine (France) (France) - non buildable starting unit
    - Type 093 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
    - Type 091 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit

    SSBN: Ballistic Missile Submarine (Nuclear-Powered) - Carries 6 SLMBM's
    - Vanguard class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
    - Ohio class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
    - Borei class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) - first commisioned 2008
    - Red October Class (USSR) (US) - non buildable starting unit :D :lol:
    - Typhoon class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non building starting unit
    - Delta III & IV classes (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
    - Le Triomphant class submarine (France) (France)
    - Type 094 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
    - Type 092 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    - Advanced Technology Vessel (India) (India) - commisioned in 2012

    SS: Attack Submarine (Diesel-Electric Power) - some of the most modern classes can carry cruise missiles for land attack
    - Lada class submarine (Russia) (Russia)
    - Kilo class submarine (USSR\Russia) (Russia\Algeria\PRC\India\Indonesia (arriving 09)\Iran\Poland\Romania) - non buildable starting unit
    - Romeo class submarine (USSR) (Russia\PRC\Bulgaria\China\Syria\Egypt\ Nrth Korea) - non buildable starting unit
    - Foxtrot Class (USSR) (India\
    - Type 214 submarine (Germany) (South Korea\Greece (due to commision soon)\Turkey)
    - Type 212 submarine (Germany)
    - Dolphin class submarine (Germany) (Israel) - non buildable starting unit
    Ula class submarine (Germany) (Norway - non buildable starting unit
    - Type 209 submarine (all sub classes produced by Germany)
    -1500 (Brazil\India\Portugal (in service 2009))
    -1400 (Brazil\Chile\South Africa\Turkey)
    -1300 (Ecuador)
    -1200 (Colombia\Greece\Indonesia\South Korea\Peru\Turkey\Venezula)
    -1100 (Argentina\Peru\Greece)
    - Type 206 submarine (Germany\Italy) (Germany\Italy)
    - Södermanland\Västergötland class submarine (Sweden\Singapore) - non buildable unit
    Gotland class submarine (Germany) (Sweden) - non buildable starting unit
    - Kobben class submarine (Germany) (Poland) - non buildable starting unit
    - Collins class submarine (Australia) (Australia) - non buildable starting unit
    - Upholder\Victoria Class Submarine (UK) (Canada) - non buildable starting unit
    - Scorpène class submarine (France\Spain\under licence in India) (Chile\India\Malaysia)
    - Daphné class submarine (France) (Albacora class Portugal) -Non buildable starting unit
    - Agosta 90B class submarine (France) (Spain\Pakistan) - non buildable starting unit
    - Tench class submarine (US) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
    - Nahang class submarine (Iran) (Iran)
    - Yugo class submarine (Iran) (Iran) - non buildable starting unit
    - Sauro class submarine (Italy) (Italy) - non buildable starting unit
    - Harushio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    - Oyashio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - last boat commisioned in 2008
    - Walrus class submarine (Netherlands) (Netherlands) - non buildable starting unit
    - Hai Lung\ Zwaardvis class submarine (Netherlands) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
    - S-80 class Submarine (Spain\UK) (Spain) -in service 2011-2014

    bloody hell that took me 2 hours! :eek:

    there is an alternative to non buildable thing, for more recent units the player can decide to build more of them however the first unit built of that paticular class will take 5 times the build time what any following unit of the same class would take, this will acurately reflect the real problems and expense of setting up an entire production line\machining parts\r+r & training.

    although for all units pre 1990 I feel that they should not be buildable at all, it would be illogical to build 18+ designs if newer ones are available
     
  20. NikNaks

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    "I am a russhian sshea captain" :lol:

    Ah, classic.

    You're doing an excellent job. It's really appreciated. :goodjob: I'll update the OPs and add some better formatting to make them easily legible.
     

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