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Discussion in 'Civ4 - World 2009 Mod' started by NikNaks, May 22, 2008.

  1. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    Of course we are going to have unique units sheep! If I can call you sheep. :D
     
  2. sheep21

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    YAY! :D

    otherwise I might have cried, you dont know how teedious and annoying it is collecting and puting into order all this data! :p

    And sure DVS420, Sheeps fine for me :)
     
  3. sheep21

    sheep21 Prince

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    Armoured Personnel Carriers & Infantry Fighting Vehicles

    - ACV-300 (Turkey)
    -- Operators
    --- 665 - Turkey (1,698 in total, only 665 inservice)
    --- 136 - United Arab Emirates
    --- 211 - Malaysia

    Notes - Currently in Production

    - AIFV (United States of America)
    -- Operators
    --- 25 - Bahrain
    --- 514 - Belgium - Being phased out so probably less
    --- 318 - Chile
    --- 1207 - Egypt
    --- 16 - Lebanon
    --- 211 - Malaysia
    --- 2000 - Netherlands
    --- 85 - Philippine
    --- 200 - South Korea under K-200 KAFV name
    --- 1698 - Turkey
    --- 133 - United Arab Emirates

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - AMX-10P (France)
    -- Operators
    --- 1050 - France
    --- 25 - Bosnia and Herzegovina
    --- 30 - Morocco
    --- 40 - Qatar
    --- 570 - Saudi Arabia
    --- 22 - Singapore

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - AMX-VCI (France)
    -- Operators
    --- 382 - Indonesia

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - ATF Dingo (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 35 - Austria
    --- 220 - Belgium
    --- 563 - Germany
    --- 34 - Czech Republic
    --- 48 Luxembourg

    Notes - currently in production

    - AVGP (Switzerland)
    -- Operators
    --- 496 - Canada

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Al Talha (Pakistan)
    -- Operators
    --- 2000 - Pakistan - that is 2000 by 2010,
    --- 44 - Iraq

    Notes - Currently in production

    - BTR-3(Ukraine)
    -- Operators
    --- 6 - Azerbaijan
    --- 3 - Ecuador
    --- 336 - Iraq
    --- 2 - Kazakhstan
    --- 1000 - Burma
    --- 96 - Thailand
    --- 90 - United Arab Emirates
    --- unknown numbers(few) - Ukraine

    Notes - Currently in production

    - BTR-4 (Ukraine)
    -- Operators
    --- unknown number(few) - Ukraine

    Notes - Currently in production

    - BTR-94 (Ukraine)
    -- Operators
    --- 50 - Iraq
    --- unknown numbers, possibly similiar to Iraq - Jordan
    --- unknown numbers - Ukraine

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Boxer (Germany\Netherlands)
    -- Operators
    --- 0 - Germany (600 ordered)
    --- 0 - Netherlands (400 ordered)

    Notes - Currently in production

    - Bravia Chaimite (Portugal)
    -- Operators
    --- 96 - Portugal
    --- 16 - Libya
    --- 32 - Peru
    --- 20 - Philippines

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Buffalo (South Africa)
    -- Operators
    --- 200 - United States of America
    --- 5 - Canada - 14 more due for 2009
    --- 5 - France
    --- 0 - United Kingdom - 14 ordered for 2009

    Notes - Currently in production

    - Cobra BMT-2 APC (Iran)
    -- Operators
    --- unknown numbers - Iran

    Notes - buildable starting unit.

    - FV 101 Scorpion Light Tank (United Kingdom)
    -- Operators
    --- 36 - Botswana
    --- 16 - Brunei
    --- 29 - Chile
    --- unknown numbers (small) - Honduras
    --- 100 - Indonesia
    --- 80 - Iran
    --- 14 - Ireland
    --- unkown numbers (not insignificant) - Jordan
    --- 26 - Malaysia
    --- 140 - Nigeria
    --- 37 - Oman
    --- 42 - Philippines
    --- 154 - Thailand
    --- 78 - Venezuela

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - FV103 Spartan (United Kingdom)
    -- Operators
    --- unknown numbers (few) - Iraq
    --- unknown numbers (few) - Oman
    --- 6 - Botswana
    --- unknown, guestimate 300+ - United Kindgom

    -Non buildable starting unit

    - FV107 Scimitar Light Tank (United Kingdom)
    -- Operators
    --- 325 - United Kingdom

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Condor (West Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 8 - Kuwait
    --- 457 - Malaysia
    --- 12 - Portugal
    --- 19 - Thailand
    --- 64 - Uruguay

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Dardo IFV (Italy)
    -- Operators
    --- 200 - Italy

    Notes - Non buildabale starting unit

    - Dzik - Poland
    -- Operators
    --- Uknown numbers - Poland

    Notes - Currently in production

    - EE-11 Urutu (Brazil)
    -- Operators
    --- unknown numbers - Bolivia
    --- 215 - Brazil
    --- 100 - Columbia
    --- 30 - Ecuador
    --- unknown numbers - Gabon
    --- unknown numbers - Guyana
    --- unknown numbers - Iraq
    --- unknown numbers - Iran
    --- unknown numbers - Libya
    --- 10 - Paraguay
    --- 20 - Saudi Arabia
    --- unknown numbers - Sriname
    --- 18 - Tunisia
    --- unknown numbers - United Arab Emirates
    --- 38 - Venezuela
    --- 7 - Zimbabwae

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - FUG (Peoples Republic of Hungary)
    -- Operators
    --- unknown numbers - Hungary - reserves

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - International MaxxPro (United States of America\Israel)
    -- Operators
    --- 4471 - United States of America - 743 more ordered in 2008

    Notes - In production

    - KMW Grizzly (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- unknown number (over 100) - Germany

    Notes - In production

    - LAV III (Canada)
    -- Operators
    --- 50 - Botswana
    --- 651 - Canada
    --- 105 - New Zealand
    --- 31 - Romania

    Notes - In production.

    - LOV-1 (Croatia)
    -- Operators
    --- 45 - Croatia

    Notes - non buildable starting unit

    - M1117 Armored Security Vehicle (United States of America)
    -- Operators
    --- 7 - Bulgaria
    --- 1118 - United States of America - 718 more on order in 2008
    --- 106 - Iraq

    Notes - Currently in production


    more to come...

    by the way, I dont expect every unit here to make the cut, nt by a long shot so dont get worried chaps :mischief:
     
  4. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    Great work sheep21, thanks.


    good good, we want to make it as realistic as possible but we also want to finish this in 2009. :D

    There will always be time for future updates that include more and more units.

    Someone is going to have to figure out which to include and which not to include.
     
  5. sheep21

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    I plan to, once I have finished listing all the bloody units (takes some time) to do a hit list of those that are the most worthy.

    Alot of the MBT ones are already available/
     
  6. DVS

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    That's awesome. Thanks for doing so much work dude. This will really make the mod realistic.
     
  7. sheep21

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    was talking with nik naks a week or so ago about units.

    I was thinking a ration of 1 civ tank or vehicle to 10 realife ones. Even like this it will still accuratly reflect the sheer numbers of MBT's some countries have. Russia has over 16,000 real life! :o

    But how about for Infantry though, one civ unit per 1000 realife men?


    EDIT: Just tallied up total Russian MBT Numbers, 23,410 total. So 2,341 MBT ingame vs the UK's 35 Challenger II's lol

    If we are to represent the world accuarately how are we going to make collective security work, in RL Russia knows if it attacks a Nato Country the rest of NATO will declare war and a Nuclear Strike may occur, thats what stops tens of thousands of russian troops arching across Europe. How will we represent this ingame?

    BTW, methinks Russia will be a favourite for the Human players :p
     
  8. whitelaughter

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    Thoughts on new units:

    Currently, there are unit promotions to give bonuses vs every unit type except helicopters.
    And with the Machine Gun, there is precedent for a unit changing category and then returning to its' original category.

    So, how about being able to research a promotion for each land unit that allows you to promote it to a 'helicopter' unit?
    Then, since helicopter is the default opponent, the *next* promotion is back to the original category and grants, say, +50% vs Helicopter units.
    This would ensure an ongoing arms race.
     
  9. Sigo

    Sigo Chieftain

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    All, hello!
    I would like to present detailed information on Russian military, because I saw several inaccurate fact above.

    So Russian air force:

    Fighter Aircraft:
    Sukhoi Su-27 4th generation USSR Air Superiority Fighter 296
    Sukhoi Su-30 4+ USSR Air Superiority Fighter 10
    Sukhoi Su-35 4.++ Russia Air Superiority Fighter 15 built, 5 are in active service.
    Mikoyan MiG-29 4 USSR Multirole Aircraft 380 +150 reserve
    Mikoyan MiG-31 4 USSR Interceptor 256 active, ~100 reserve
    Mig-35 Russia Multirole Aircraft no production to be started
    5-generation fighter (T-50) Russia Airsuperiority Fighter in development

    Bomber Aircraft

    Sukhoi Su-24 4 USSR Tactical Bomber 450 400 Frontal Air Force;[26]
    Sukhoi Su-25 4 USSR Attacker 241 231 Frontal Air Force; planned modernization to reach Su-25SM level.
    Sukhoi Su-34 4++ Russia Fighter-bomber 10, 58 to be delivered by 2012[29]
    Tupolev Tu-22M USSR Strategic bomber 161+ 91 reserve
    Tupolev Tu-95 USSR Strategic bomber 64 planned modernization
    Tupolev Tu-160 USSR Strategic bomber 16 planned modernization

    Attack Helicopter

    Kamov Ka-50 USSR Attack Helicopter 32
    Kamov Ka-52 RUS Attack Helicopter 9 Special Forces - 12 more to be commissioned by 2015
    Mil Mi-24 USSR Attack helicopter 260 ]
    Mil Mi-28 RUS Attack Helicopter 50 300 to be delivered by 2015

    The army

    Main Battle Tank
    Russia
    T-95 in development
    T-90 450 + 300 more are modernized T-72s + more on order.
    USSR
    T-80UM 4500
    T-72BM 9700
    T-64BV 4300
    T-62M1 1900
    T-55 1010

    Armoured Personnel Carrier
    Russia
    BTR-90 80
    Ussr
    BTR-80 4000
    BTR-70M 2000
    BTR-60 2000
    MT-LB 4800
    BTR-D 514 Airborne

    Infantry Fighting Vehicle
    Russia
    Combat vehicle of tank support (CVTS) - production to be launched
    USSR
    BMP-3 1400
    BMP-2E 305
    BMP-1P 1543
    BMD-3 103 Airborne
    BMD-2 361 Airborne
    BMD-1P 71 Airborne

    Air Defence Vehicle
    Russia
    Buk-M1-2 250
    S-400 in production
    USSR
    S-300PMU-2 440
    S-300V 9M82 200Maximum
    Tor-M1 120
    Strela-10M3350
    Osa-AKM 550
    Kub 350
    Krug-M 220
    Tunguska-M1 256
    Shilka 450

    Towed Artillery and Mortars
    total some 30,045+ artillery pieces
    USSR
    Self-Propelled Artillery
    2S1 Gvozdika 1037
    2S3 Akatzia 1402|
    2S4 Tulip 430
    2S5 569 152mm
    2S7M 800
    MSTA-S 800
    Nona-SVK 50

    Multiple Rocket Launcher System Vehicle
    USSR
    Grad 1750
    Uragan 500
    Smerch 300
    TOS-1 50 uses thermobaric warheads

    Tactical Ballistic Missile Systems
    USSR
    Tochka-U
    Russia
    Iskander-E

    the Navy

    Aircraft Carriers
    Admiral Kuznetsov 1 USSR
    6 new carriers planned
    Battlecruisers
    2 Kirov class USSR
    Cruisers
    3 Slava class cruiser USSR, 2 kara class cruiser USSR
    Destroyers
    8 Udaloy class destroyer USSR
    12 Sovremenny class Russia
    1 Kashin class destroyer USSR
    Frigates
    3 Krivak class USSR
    2 Krivak class USSR
    1 Neustrashimy Russia
    1 Tartarstan/Gepard Russia - 2 in construction
    1 Novik class patrol ship USSR
    Gorshkov class 20 planned
    Corvettes
    1 Steregushchy class 2 in construction Russia
    8 Parchim class USSR
    28 Grisha class USSR
    12 Nanuchka class USSR

    Patrol ships
    Missile Corvettes (FSG): 41
    Patrol Boats (PCF): 21
    Patrol hydrofoils (PTF): 5
    Missile Hovercraft: 2 Bora class guided missile hovercraft

    Amphibious ships
    Landing ship dock 1
    Landing ship tank 18
    Landing ship hovercraft 8

    Mine warfare
    Minesweepers: 56

    Submarines
    SSBN: 14
    11 Borei Class in building
    7 reserve Delta III
    SSGN: 8
    1 building
    2 reserve Oscar II class
    SSN: 17
    1 building
    SSK: 20
    2 building
    Auxiliary Submarines: 7

    Strategic rocket forces :nuke:
    Total:536 ICBMs
    SS-25 Sickle Topol 306 USSR
    SS-27 Satan Topol-M 54 Russia

    Uff that's it:crazyeye:. Hope it'll be useful.

    Can provide more info on post-soviet states militaries if you like as well as any other info on armaments.:rolleyes:
     
  10. sandman730

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    What artillery units do we have? What internal security units do we have? What terrorist units do we have? What else do we need?
     
  11. DVS

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    This thread is being used for raw data right now. If you're asking which units we have art for and which ones we still need, visit the unit art thread. I'm trying to keep a list of what we need there.

    Artillery is not finished yet, we may not include unique artillery units in version 1.0. We have a list of terrorist units that we want, but no art for them yet.
     
  12. sheep21

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    we are currently lacking these completely:

    Artillery
    Self Propelled Artillery
    MRLS Artillery

    AFAIK we have terrorist units, check with DVS

    We are also about 35% done for Armoured Fighting Vehicles and Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Infantry are something that have yet to be tackled...
     
  13. DVS

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    damburger came up with a list of terrorist units in the features thread. I will update the unit art thread tonight to include them. Thanks guys.

    Hopefully someone else will volunteer to put together the artillery list. Sheep21 has too much on his plate as it is... just look at all the work he has done already.
     
  14. sandman730

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    Do we have any anti-terrorist units?
     
  15. sheep21

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    well I guess it depends on the countries. some will have internal security troops (Russia\Egypt) others through troops on operations (afgahn conflict), many western\1st world through INTERPOL, Secret Service and intelligence units and some a mixture of the above (i.e israel)
     
  16. sandman730

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    I say that we should have some universal anti-terrorist units.
     
  17. sheep21

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    if you can find some we would be happy to look at them :)

    they have to be based on real life units mind.
     
  18. DVS

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    Terrorism functions within the espionage system, so having counter-espionage will be how you infiltrator terrorists (same as spies).

    Having a universal internal security forces unit that increases espionage points is a good idea. I have seen a police unit do this in other mods. The Egyptian ISF UU would be an upgrade to this unit. FBI agents for the US perhaps, although that seems to be moving towards our crime/health/education feature, which is being held off until 2.0 due to its complexity. So maybe just have a counter-terrorism agent that civs can keep in their cities, as you can currently do with spies to reduce the likelihood of successful attacks.

    Having the Total Identification tech and using related totalitarian civics/buildings should increase the odds of thwarting terrorists as well.
     
  19. Joecoolyo

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    I think it might be better to have a universal anti-terrorist unit than unique ones, just so that in case, lets say, Mongolia has a terrorist threat within its country, that it has a counter to the terrorists destroying his country. And doesn't have to rely on regular units or the foreign countries to stop the terrorists.

    Edit: DVS, you beat me to it lol
     
  20. sandman730

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    It seems like each country has their own counter-terrorist units. Here is a list that I found:

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    Law enforcement counter-terrorist organizations by country
    + indicates military organization allowed to operate domestically.
    Examples include:
    Australia: State and Australian Federal Police Police Tactical Groups Australian Protective Service (APS), Tactical Assault Group (TAG East & TAG West)+, Australian Security and Intelligence Agency (ASIO), SASR+
    Austria: EKO Cobra
    Brazil: State/local Police SWAT teams: BOPE, CORE, GOE, GATE, COT
    Bosnia and Herzegovina: SIPA
    Bulgaria:S.O.B.T.
    Canada: ERT
    Czech: URNA National Police Rapid Response Unit or Útvar Rychlého Nasazení
    Finland Karhu-ryhmä, Utti Jaeger Regiment, Guard Jaeger Regiment
    France: Police units GIPN, RAID and Gendarmerie GIGN+
    Germany: Police SEK / MEK and Bundespolizei GSG 9
    Hong Kong: Police Special Duties Unit
    Iceland: Víkingasveitin
    India: NSG, MARCOS, Para Commandos
    Indonesia: Detachment 88
    Ireland: Emergency Response Unit (Garda)
    Israel: YAMAM
    Italy: NOCS
    Japan: Special Assault Team, Special Security Team
    Korea, South: 707th Special Mission Unit+
    Latvia: OMEGA police unit
    Lithuania: ARAS (Force) Lithuanian Police force of antiterrorism operations
    Malaysia: Pasukan Gerakan Khas, Police Combat Diving Unit
    Netherlands: DSI (Dutch: Dienst Speciale Interventies, Special Interventions Service)
    Norway: Beredskapstroppen, FSK+
    Poland: GROM
    Portugal: GOE and COE
    Philippines: Special Action Force and police SWAT teams
    Romania: Brigada Antiteroristă, (counter-terrorist brigade)
    Russia: Spetsgruppa A,Vympel
    Sri Lanka: Special Task Force
    Spain: GEO and UEI
    Taiwan: Thunder Squad
    Turkey: Özel tim-Özel Harekat Timi (Special Team)
    UK: Counter Terrorism Command
    US: FBI HRT and state/local Police SWAT teams

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    Maybe we could have unique counter-terrorist units or have counter-terrorist units have different names based on their civ.
     

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