Unreasonable Expectations: Warmup

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This is based on an idea, inspired by futurehermit's recent post. This is intended as a scrimmage - just as an opportunity to test the basic ideas and see how it goes.

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Prince / Standard / Normal / Continents

Korea : Wang Kon

Goal: Fastest Victory

Constraint: You may not train any settlers, capture any cities, or raze any cities during the BC years.

Scoring: None - just have fun and report.

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Stupid warlords
 
Well, I gave it a shot. I've only played one previous game on Warlords (Noble difficulty), I rarely play at slower than Epic, and I've never tried an OCC. So, this was always going to be a tough one...

I finally gave up c.1550ad, having failed to settle or capture a single city (although one AI city would definitely have culture-flipped sooner or later). I did manage to keep up with the AI in tech until about 1300ad, and I successfully fought off one fairly pathetic invasion from the south (tech-bribing a powerful neighbour to join the war probably saved me from further attacks).

Ultimately, however, I just couldn't raise a large enough army without going into total tech stagnation. There was one civ that looked vulnerable; but, just as I was preparing to strike, it became a vassal to the toughest civ on the block. :mad:

In the end I put together what forces I could and took a shot at a weakly defended border-city (housing two wonders) which belonged to the tech-leader, who was already loosing cities to another civ. The Hwachas did a fine job, but I just hadn't enough troops to overcome the last defenders before their reinforcements arrived. Defeat would surely have followed, so I decided to call it a day.

In terms of development, I decided early on to run an SE, despite being Financial. I reasoned that with only one city, and having no need to build settlers, I could prioritise the wonders needed to make it pay off. I chopped the Great Wall, built the Pyramids, GE-rushed the Parthenon, built the Great Library, and GE-rushed the National Epic. I lightbulbed and traded several techs to keep me in the race, and used the Rep/Caste/Pacifism combo to keep me teching whilst I built my army.

Unfortunately, I had a run of bad luck in the GP-generation stakes, picking up an Artist and three Engineers in succession, which would only lighbulb techs the AI already had. Consequently, although I was able to keep up in tech, I couldn't divert enough attention to military production without loosing ground.

In retrospect, I would have been better off letting myself fall behind for the sake of getting my army ready more quickly. If I had done so, then I could have launched an attack before the vulnerable civ became a vassal, and hopefully taken a city or two. In any case I don't think I could've pulled off a win, but I would probably have been able to survive into the later stages.

As it was, I ended up getting left behind in the tech-race, and utterly outnumbered on the battlefield. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the challenge; the pre-BC constraint makes for a very different experience, and I think I might give it a go on a noble game to see if I can sneak a victory.
 
Sorry about that - the whipping bug is a game breaker for me, I'm afraid.

If you want a non-Warlords game, you can play with the current (or any recent) HOF mod, in which all of the poprush calculations are fixed.

The challenge here doesn't seem really so hard, although I haven't tried it yet. Monarch would be more interesting/difficult.
 
Strange. I had no problems. Have you tried again?

I'd really like to see how someone approaches this challenge, especially if they could manage to win the game...

I keep getting ue1.txt when I try to download the save. Am I missing something?
 
The challenge here doesn't seem really so hard, although I haven't tried it yet. Monarch would be more interesting/difficult.

Give it a try. VoU did say 'fastest victory', so its not really a question of whether it's easy to win, provided a few people give it a shot. I found it tough, but then I'm not used to Warlords and I never managed to beat Emperor on Vanilla (though I had got Monarch fairly well licked).

The main problem I found was that I was completely surrounded by the time 1ad came around, with no decent city sites available without going to war. I also didn't pay enough attention to the clock (being unused to normal speed, I wasn't expecting to reach 1ad so quickly) and so was not ready to go conquering straight away.

To tibbles: I just clicked on the text and saved the file (ue1.CivWarlordsSave). I tried it again just now and it was fine, so if its not working for you it could be a computer issue (firewall settings maybe?).
 
Huh, well, I still get it as .txt, but manually renaming it to a .CivWarlordsSave worked. It didn't occur to me UE1 might stand for UnreasonableExpectations1, I thought it was just some random junk :P
 
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