Updated AND 2.1 Mega Civ Pack

<Nexus> · Feb 20, 2014

I really do not like to remove this empire from the list.

I was just kidding.

The term Holy, in the sense of consecrated, was added to reflect Barbarossa's ambition to dominate Italy, Rome and the Papacy, has nothing to do with religion itself.

Papacy does have something to do with religion

Lite version:
I already have downloaded this submod, but had no time to try it yet. Maybe tonight I will have a chance to carefulle examine these goodies

Before I forget:
I remember an event from some older versions: "Attila has gathered a bunch of cavalry archers..." or something like that.
And I think there was something with archers too, refering to Schytians I guess.

Maska_zgz · Feb 20, 2014

Sogroon said:
I was just kidding.

Papacy does have something to do with religion

Lite version:
I already have downloaded this submod, but had no time to try it yet. Maybe tonight I will have a chance to carefulle examine these goodies

Before I forget:
I remember an event from some older versions: "Attila has gathered a bunch of cavalry archers..." or something like that.
And I think there was something with archers too, refering to Schytians I guess.

Ok, no problem. Hope you have fun with the submod, and please report any errors you find. The more errors we find, much faster we can improve the pack.

dbkblk · Feb 20, 2014

Can you tell me what was the albanian empire ? I tried to look for info but all that i can find is that was a part of the bulgarian or ottoman empire. What the point of having such a civ (no offense)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_under_the_Bulgarian_Empire

EDIT: For free SVN hosting: http://riouxsvn.com/

Maska_zgz · Feb 20, 2014

dbkblk said:
Can you tell me what was the albanian empire ? I tried to look for info but all that i can find is that was a part of the bulgarian or ottoman empire. What the point of having such a civ (no offense)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_under_the_Bulgarian_Empire

EDIT: For free SVN hosting: http://riouxsvn.com/

I'm not offended. I've just updated the pack, leaving exactly the same civilizations that exist in the original. There are many civilizations in the pack whose real historical importance is very low.

There has never been an empire of Australian aborigines, or Latvia forged an empire (rather belonged to several of them), and there was a Piliwni Empire (the Indigenous peoples of the Great Basin ), but I'm sure that a native american descendant of the Paiute, or a Latvian, or a descendant of the Australian aborigines, they will be very excited to play with their nations of origin. I like having the option to play them, although I understand its importance is rather symbolic.

To fix this will be the lite pack . Anyone who wants only the most important nations at some point in history, download the lite version of the pack.

Anyway, remove a civilization we believe is unhelpful is easy. Only deleting the folder of that civilization inside the folder Custom_Civilizations and problem solved.

dbkblk · Feb 20, 2014

Maska_zgz said:
I like having the option to play them, although I understand its importance is rather symbolic.

You're right ! That was purely about the translation. I think the name "Albanian empire" should be translated as "Albania". That should be the same for all minor influence civ.
I'll try to keep a list of names which i think should be shortened.

I also agree that it is fun to play your country in a game ! My leaders have indeed a strong personnality (Louis XVI, De Gaulle and... Napoleon

). I sometime want to slap them :shifty:

rtt4a · Feb 20, 2014

Thank you Maska_zgz :goodjob:

<Nexus> · Feb 21, 2014

Maska_zgz said:
Anyway, remove a civilization we believe is unhelpful is easy. Only deleting the folder of that civilization inside the folder Custom_Civilizations and problem solved.

What?

Is that so easy and simple?

:eek:

Just remove the folder?

:eek:

Isn't there any XML editing needed?

Maska_zgz · Feb 21, 2014

Sogroon said:
What?

Is that so easy and simple?

Just remove the folder?

Isn't there any XML editing needed?

Yes, it's that easy.

Maska_zgz · Feb 21, 2014

I've been glued to the computer a few days to do this, and am very happy with the results. Hope you have fun with these submods.

MCP Patch 1.1

Changelog:

Spoiler :

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CUSTOM LEADERHEADS MCP SUBMOD

Changelog:

Spoiler :

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ALTERNATIVE LEADERHEADS SUBMOD

Changelog:

Spoiler :

The first and second post of this thread be modified with the installation/uninstallation instructions of these submods, download links and changelogs. I'll add pictures of alternative leaderheads for comparison.

Please continue reporting errors in these submods, I'll fix this as fast as possible.

ENJOY!

Maska_zgz · Feb 21, 2014

I have restructured completely the three starting post of this thread:

The first post is dedicated to explain the submods, content, changelogs and updates.

The second post contains download links and instructions for installation/uninstallation and customizing each submod and patches.

The third post will be dedicated to jot down suggestions and bug reports.

I would like to know your opinion on how I ordered the thread, if it is easy to understand.

Also, I leave here various slides for comparison to Alternative Leaderheads. These slides are placed on the first post, and comparison images are located in a folder within the submod.

New Graphics for Existing Leaderheads:

Click the link to view a slide for comparison:

Alexander: http://www.kizoa.es/diapositivas/d8744714k8639614o1/alexa
Franco: http://www.kizoa.es/diapositivas/d8745214k2911013o1/franco
Jayavarman VII: http://www.kizoa.es/diapositivas/d8745351k5462445o1/jayavarman-vii
Joan of Arc: http://www.kizoa.es/diapositivas/d8745113k2014685o1/joan-of-arc
Menelik II: http://www.kizoa.es/diapositivas/d8745502k9111012o1/menelik-ii
Mongkut: http://www.kizoa.es/diapositivas/d8745576k1550775o1/mongkut
Selassie: http://www.kizoa.es/diapositivas/d8745707k5459479o1/selassie

I go to sleep, I'm exhausted.

Vokarya · Feb 22, 2014

I've started to do some analysis of this pack. Here are some of my first thoughts:

I would suggest that the Mamluk Empire not use Egypt anywhere in its adjectives, to prevent confusion if both Egypt and Mamluks are in the game. I've attached a replacement XML file in the zip to show you what I mean.

Algonquian Empire: The more common spelling is Algonquin (only one A).

Smoke House (Apache UB): Needs the code inserted so that Shopping District and Hypermarket replace it like they do the base Market. Take a look at what I did for the Market and Forum.

Red Sleeves' Warrior (Apache UU): Delete the apostrophe from the name (right after the word Sleeves). It's not necessary. Also, the tech prereqs for Cavalry units have been changed to Rifling and Military Tradition, no other techs, so can you please adjust the Red Sleeves Warrior to match?

I know a lot of this is going to seem quite trivial, but I do like this pack, and I'd like to see it be as great as it can.

dbkblk · Feb 22, 2014

I agree with Vokarya.

Please, could you use a svn or something like that ? I have translated 30% of the strings, but if there are too many changes it is difficult to track down what strings have changed !
With SVN, like the main mod, this work is really easy !

However, i think you have done a really great job updating this pack, and you seem to push it even further ! Nice

Maska_zgz · Feb 22, 2014

Vokarya said:
I've started to do some analysis of this pack. Here are some of my first thoughts:

I would suggest that the Mamluk Empire not use Egypt anywhere in its adjectives, to prevent confusion if both Egypt and Mamluks are in the game. I've attached a replacement XML file in the zip to show you what I mean.

I did not change the adjectives, because even though they are a later version of the same civilization, in reality are still Egyptians. However, it's true that may lead to confusion in reading the events and logs. I think after all, is a good idea that they are Mamelukos in all its aspects. Thanks for the tip.

Vokarya said:
Algonquian Empire: The more common spelling is Algonquin (only one A).

Sounds like a good suggestion. I'll do it today.

Vokarya said:
Smoke House (Apache UB): Needs the code inserted so that Shopping District and Hypermarket replace it like they do the base Market. Take a look at what I did for the Market and Forum.

Correct. I have not started with the revision of the buildings. I'm still reviewing the units. However, although I will review building by building with care, is very useful for me if you give me clues about the necessary changes. I would love that you will indicate any necessary changes you see,so that I can do more faster updates.

Vokarya said:
Red Sleeves' Warrior (Apache UU): Delete the apostrophe from the name (right after the word Sleeves). It's not necessary. Also, the tech prereqs for Cavalry units have been changed to Rifling and Military Tradition, no other techs, so can you please adjust the Red Sleeves Warrior to match?

Correct again. I have already fixed the UU of the Apaches, because I'm doing it in alphabetical order. However I have not removed the apostrophe. I'll do it today.

Vokarya said:
I know a lot of this is going to seem quite trivial, but I do like this pack, and I'd like to see it be as great as it can.

Any good suggestion and assistance to improve the mod is totally welcome. I'm really glad you enjoy the mod, that's the reason why I'm working in the mod, that everyone can enjoy it.

Please continue reporting errors and necessary changes, I'll be happy of fix them.

Maska_zgz · Feb 22, 2014

dbkblk said:
I agree with Vokarya.

Please, could you use a svn or something like that ? I have translated 30% of the strings, but if there are too many changes it is difficult to track down what strings have changed !
With SVN, like the main mod, this work is really easy !

However, i think you have done a really great job updating this pack, and you seem to push it even further ! Nice

Ok. This same night, I will try to learn to use svn to host my files. I will use the link you put in a previous post.

Thank you very much for your encouragement, I still have much work to do. Once I started, I can not stop. :lol:

But I will go slowly, to not screw up.

Vokarya · Feb 22, 2014

Maska_zgz said:
Correct. I have not started with the revision of the buildings. I'm still reviewing the units. However, although I will review building by building with care, is very useful for me if you give me clues about the necessary changes. I would love that you will indicate any necessary changes you see,so that I

Here's something I have noticed so far about units. The base Cavalry unit gets -25% jungle attack, -25% forest attack, -25% peat bog attack, and -25% city attack. At least the first four Cavalry UU's that I have seen (the Armenian Fedayee, the Apache Red Sleeves Warrior, the Argentinian Granadero a Callabo and the Australian Light Horse) have -50% jungle attack, -25% forest attack, no peat bog penalty, and no city attack penalty. I suspect this was a change to Cavalry that happened in the main mod after the last version of the Megapack was created. Did you notice this as well?

On another note, when I do my next version, I am replacing the bonus that Cuirassiers and Cavalry get against Spearmen/Pikemen/Heavy Pikemen with a flat +50% bonus against all Melee units (reducing three bullet points to one and possibly eliminating some odd corner cases). I would appreciate it if you would do this for any Cuirassier or Cavalry UU as well.

santoo · Feb 23, 2014

thanks a lot for this!

2 minibugs I've noticed on my first playthrough:
.) ashanti civ: the adjective describing the civ seems to be missing (or not correctly seperated) - it always shows the name of variable instead in score list, diplo, etc...
.) south africa civ: the message you get when you first meet the civ had a missing word, showing the variable name instead. not sure, if it was the noun or adjective; not even sure, if it was civ- or leader-related; (leader was kruger); didn't see this anywhere else but in the original contact popup

great work - really fun, playing against some "new" civs :-)

Vokarya · Feb 23, 2014

santoo said:
thanks a lot for this!

2 minibugs I've noticed on my first playthrough:
.) ashanti civ: the adjective describing the civ seems to be missing (or not correctly seperated) - it always shows the name of variable instead in score list, diplo, etc...

There's a mistake in the file Ashanti_CIV4GameText.xml. Line 23 reads <Tag>TXT_KEY_CIV_ABORIGINES_ADJECTIVE</Tag> when it should say <Tag>TXT_KEY_CIV_ASHANTI_ADJECTIVE</Tag>.

santoo said:
.) south africa civ: the message you get when you first meet the civ had a missing word, showing the variable name instead. not sure, if it was the noun or adjective; not even sure, if it was civ- or leader-related; (leader was kruger); didn't see this anywhere else but in the original contact popup

First contact text is leader-related. I looked into it and Kruger's info has a problem; the Kruger_CIV4DiplomacyInfos.xml file calls for <Text>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_KRUGER_1</Text> (line 21), but the tag in the Kruger_CIV4GameText.xml file is <Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_BASIL_1</Tag> (line 23), so the text that it's looking for isn't defined properly.

dbkblk · Feb 23, 2014

I also noticed that AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_NARBONA_1 in Narbona_CIV4GameText.xml is already in RoM_GameText_DiplomacyText.xml. I've found another but i forgot to write it down.

There are also some incoherence as some leader have diplomacy text but others don't. It is a low priority task but it would be nice to have text for each one !

About the "empire" prefix, wouldn't it be nice to change it according to the historical importance (Empire, nation, people or indians) ?
For example:
Aboriginal people
Akkad empire
Argentinian nation
Australia nation
Apache indians
etc...

Maska_zgz · Feb 24, 2014

Vokarya said:
Here's something I have noticed so far about units. The base Cavalry unit gets -25% jungle attack, -25% forest attack, -25% peat bog attack, and -25% city attack. At least the first four Cavalry UU's that I have seen (the Armenian Fedayee, the Apache Red Sleeves Warrior, the Argentinian Granadero a Callabo and the Australian Light Horse) have -50% jungle attack, -25% forest attack, no peat bog penalty, and no city attack penalty. I suspect this was a change to Cavalry that happened in the main mod after the last version of the Megapack was created. Did you notice this as well?

Yes, I have seen those changes. I use WinMerge to see the differences between the two files, and also I have the Civilopedia always open on my second monitor. So I do not miss details of the changes. Thank you very much, always it is very useful your help. Please continue to report on what you think is important, to me is very useful.

Vokarya said:
On another note, when I do my next version, I am replacing the bonus that Cuirassiers and Cavalry get against Spearmen/Pikemen/Heavy Pikemen with a flat +50% bonus against all Melee units (reducing three bullet points to one and possibly eliminating some odd corner cases). I would appreciate it if you would do this for any Cuirassier or Cavalry UU as well.

Yes, I have read in the forum your idea to change that. Do not worry, I will also add that change in the Mega Civ Pack.

Vokarya said:
There's a mistake in the file Ashanti_CIV4GameText.xml. Line 23 reads <Tag>TXT_KEY_CIV_ABORIGINES_ADJECTIVE</Tag> when it should say <Tag>TXT_KEY_CIV_ASHANTI_ADJECTIVE</Tag>.

First contact text is leader-related. I looked into it and Kruger's info has a problem; the Kruger_CIV4DiplomacyInfos.xml file calls for <Text>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_KRUGER_1</Text> (line 21), but the tag in the Kruger_CIV4GameText.xml file is <Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_BASIL_1</Tag> (line 23), so the text that it's looking for isn't defined properly.

Thank you. I'll fix it asap.

Maska_zgz · Feb 24, 2014

dbkblk said:
I also noticed that AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_NARBONA_1 in Narbona_CIV4GameText.xml is already in RoM_GameText_DiplomacyText.xml. I've found another but i forgot to write it down.

There are also some incoherence as some leader have diplomacy text but others don't. It is a low priority task but it would be nice to have text for each one !

I'll write it down. It will be good to do it further on, thanks.

dbkblk said:
About the "empire" prefix, wouldn't it be nice to change it according to the historical importance (Empire, nation, people or indians) ?
For example:
Aboriginal people
Akkad empire
Argentinian nation
Australia nation
Apache indians
etc...

You are right. I really do not like seeing "Empire" everywhere, subtracted realism to the game. I will change later.

Third post edited.

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