Updates to City Names

[AbsintheRed]

On the subject of changing the map: the entire area around the Neman is quite distorted in the current map, for example Minsk should probably be at least 4 tiles NE of where it is now.. the current position of Minsk is more like Brest or Nowogrodek. Also the Neman itself looks very strange.

I agree with you, that part of the map is rather inaccurate
Can you upload a pic how do you imagine the Neman area exactly?

 

[StuartKleinsen]

Looks sounds like you in your save the naming doesn't work at all, and your cities get the "free", spot-independent name, since Essen, Bonn or Duisburg ar neither in this Version nor the Beta-11 Version attached to a place in the map. Couldn't open your file, though.

Yeah, I've that impression, too. So all I can do is keeping Beta11 and wait for Beat12 to be released.
But, as said above, if there's anything I could do to further improve this mod I would like to offer my help, e.g. city names, historical research, ...

 

[Morholt]

Something like this?

 

[civ-addicted]

http://exonyme.bplaced.net/Board/Thread-Deutsche-Ortsnamen-im-S%C3%BCden-Frankreichs

I've stumbled across this at work, i thought you guys might can use this. (it's in german, though)

 

[AbsintheRed]

http://exonyme.bplaced.net/Board/Thread-Deutsche-Ortsnamen-im-S%C3%BCden-Frankreichs

I've stumbled across this at work, i thought you guys might can use this. (it's in german, though)

I guess I will pass it
Studied german for a few years, but I will rather leave it to someone else

 

[AbsintheRed]

again ... would like to see be border between Saxony and Denmark be shuffled 1tile south (at least the easten tile)

Done
And I also updated the norse city map with your changes

 

[Science Rules]

AbsintheRed,

I know you redid the Hungarian map a while back, but I have a few questions:

Instead of putting Pressburg/Bratslavia/Pozony 1 tile east of Wien, why don't we put it on the east side of the river march (like in RL)? I know it's a bit of a geographical distortion to have it that far away from Wien, but I think it is warranted by the prominence of this city. The spot 1 W and 2 N from Budapest (Hungarian spawn spot) is the best city site in Upper Hungary between Wien and Budapest, so that spot should probably be assigned the most prominent city in the region.

Also, once the German map is settled upon, I think it should be affixed to the Hungarian map to cover regions of the Austo-Hungarian empire (Salzburg & Bohemia for example) that aren't already in the Hungarian map.

 

[Kartoffelvampir]

I noticed that the Byzantine City names are Latin, but wouldn't Greek be more appropriate? At least the name Constantinople should be changed, which is neither at this point.

Also, is the rule with max 2x2 fields for a city really necessary in wider Areas, like russia? Never saw the AI settle there so close, and a human player propably won't.....

And off-topic, where can you download the newest svn-Version? i can't find a correct link on sourceforge.net

 

[AbsintheRed]

I noticed that the Byzantine City names are Latin, but wouldn't Greek be more appropriate? At least the name Constantinople should be changed, which is neither at this point.

Changed to Constantinopolis and Thessalonica.
Post if something else is wrong in the preplaced citynames.

Also, is the rule with max 2x2 fields for a city really necessary in wider Areas, like russia? Never saw the AI settle there so close, and a human player propably won't.....

We don't have to insist on the 2x2 rule everywhere, there can be exceptions of course, especially where there are huge settleable areas

And off-topic, where can you download the newest svn-Version? i can't find a correct link on sourceforge.net

If you don't want to use TortoiseSVN or something similar, then you can still download the latest version with the GNU tarball: http://rfceurope.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/rfceurope/
Note that this way you always have to download the whole mod, not just the recent changes...

 

[AbsintheRed]

AbsintheRed,

I know you redid the Hungarian map a while back, but I have a few questions:

Instead of putting Pressburg/Bratslavia/Pozony 1 tile east of Wien, why don't we put it on the east side of the river march (like in RL)? I know it's a bit of a geographical distortion to have it that far away from Wien, but I think it is warranted by the prominence of this city. The spot 1 W and 2 N from Budapest (Hungarian spawn spot) is the best city site in Upper Hungary between Wien and Budapest, so that spot should probably be assigned the most prominent city in the region.

Actually I want the hungarian capital to be Buda, and move one tile west. There was no Budapest till 1871
So unfortunately there is no real room for Pozsony
It's a shame really, especially since it's castle is in as a wonder (Pressburg Castle)

Also, once the German map is settled upon, I think it should be affixed to the Hungarian map to cover regions of the Austo-Hungarian empire (Salzburg & Bohemia for example) that aren't already in the Hungarian map.

Yep, I'm on updating the hungarian city map, and try to cover those areas too
Will make a thread soon, and everyone can contribute in improving and synchronizing all the city maps

 

[Sian]

Northeast-easten Hungary need to be better covered ... i keep popping unspecified citynames there

 

[AbsintheRed]

Northeast-easten Hungary need to be better covered ... i keep popping unspecified citynames there

Yeah I know. I never uploaded my changes to the svn, sry for that.
It's still a WIP - actually for a few months now
But an updated city map will definitely be in, maybe even in the next Beta

 

[Michael Vick]

The city names for Madeira and the Azores are incorrect. Right now, the names on Madeira are names of cities on the Azores, and there is no Funchal (principal settlement on Madeira). Somebody mistook Madeira for one of the Azores because the name that comes up is Ponta Delgada. There is a two tiled island in the Atlantic with salt and sugar on it in between the Azores and the Canaries. That is Madeira. It's location is a bit off in our map, should be more to the right and a little more South. Google Maps? The correct city name for both of its tiles is Funchal.

The Azores are all in the right spots, but the southernmost island's city name should be Vila do Porto. One more island to the North, where the most desirable spot for a city is, should have the name Ponta Delgada, the historical largest and most important settlement on the islands. The other islands on the very edge of the map don't even have names right now.

That might be a lot to process without a labeled map to look at, I will post a screenshot or wb save with landmarks if you think it's worth a closer look on your part. The problem isn't that noticeable because of its obscurity in relation to the rest of the map but Madeira has simply been forgotten!

AbsintheRed, you seem to be the new authority on these name maps, I have a request. The problem above has been overlooked in the last few releases, maybe you could slip these changes into the next beta? The screenshots are on page 3 of this thread. It will not let me repost them here. Madeira is shifted a few tiles SE.

 

[AbsintheRed]

AbsintheRed, you seem to be the new authority on these name maps, I have a request. The problem above has been overlooked in the last few releases, maybe you could slip these changes into the next beta? The screenshots are on page 3 of this thread. It will not let me repost them here. Madeira is shifted a few tiles SE.

Then I have some good news for you, then
I already moved it a few days ago and posted in the Beta 11 thread.
Even wanted to reply your request, just didn't find your post

Map updates:
Revised rivers in Kiev, Poland, Lithuania

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Rearranged resources and small map changes in the Salzburg area and in Anatolia

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I also moved Madeira a few tiles southeast based on an earlier suggestion

These changes of course mean that we have to move some of the indy cities, and even a few civs starting points.
Especially Kiev and Minsk were in a totally ahistoric place

Btw, I plan to make a bigger overhaul to the Iberian Peninsula and North Africa (terrian based on Morholt's updates), so it's still not the final resting place for Madeira

 

[Kartoffelvampir]

Thanks for the link

Changed to Constantinopolis and Thessalonica.
Post if something else is wrong in the preplaced citynames.

Well, they don't sound very Greek or Latin...

Antioch -> Antiochia
Tyre -> Tyrus/Tyros
Jerusalem -> Hierosolyma
Aleppo -> Beroea (apparently)

Also, the preplaced cities have latin names, but greek was the language for the most part of our mod. Can look for the greek names, if wished.

Btw, the new east Europe looks AWESOME

 

[AbsintheRed]

Well, they don't sound very Greek or Latin...

Antioch -> Antiochia
Tyre -> Tyrus/Tyros
Jerusalem -> Hierosolyma
Aleppo -> Beroea (apparently)

Also, the preplaced cities have latin names, but greek was the language for the most part of our mod. Can look for the greek names, if wished.

I used the names for the preplaced Byzantine cities as they are used in their city map.
We really should update the Byzantine city map soon
If you want to start it, I will upload the latest version here

Btw, the new east Europe looks AWESOME

Thanks
I got really good suggetions from you guys

 

[Science Rules]

Actually I want the hungarian capital to be Buda, and move one tile west. There was no Budapest till 1871
So unfortunately there is no real room for Pozsony
It's a shame really, especially since it's castle is in as a wonder (Pressburg Castle)

Perhaps a pre-placed Pozsony 2N of your new Buda? (just saw your post in the other thread).

Is it possible to have it flip to Hungary and then again to Austria (thereby providing impetus for AI Austria to be aggressive against its neighbors?

 

[AbsintheRed]

While having Pozsony in most games would be cool, it would make the area way too cramped.
Sry but no, we won't add a preplaced city there

(Btw, even if we added the city, why the hell would it flip to Austria on spawn? If they conquer it's okay, but flip? Absolutely no)

 

[Science Rules]

Magyar Nationalism aside, Pozsony became a part of Austria in 1301 within a decade of Rudolph I's death, and Austria's spawn is currently linked to Rudolph's reign. Also, Pressburg was not taken as the result of warfare, but was inherited by the Austrians. I'm aware that Sigismund brought Pozsony back into the Hungarian fold, but after his death Pressburg was firmly Austrian. Also, AI Austria is in desperate need of a buff and it needs to be more antagonistic against Hungary.

I recently won a game as Hungary, and I founded a city in the spot I described earlier. I renamed the city Pozsony and it was quite useful. Because of health constraints, there is no other way to work all those lovely grassland tiles along the Danube unless you use Pozsony.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Magyar Nationalism aside, Pozsony became a part of Austria in 1301 within a decade of Rudolph I's death, and Austria's spawn is currently linked to Rudolph's reign. Also, Pressburg was not taken as the result of warfare, but was inherited by the Austrians. I'm aware that Sigismund brought Pozsony back into the Hungarian fold, but after his death Pressburg was firmly Austrian. Also, AI Austria is in desperate need of a buff and it needs to be more antagonistic against Hungary.

Yeah, sry if I sounded harsh, but I can't imagine it flipping. As I said, conquering the city may be OK, but nothing more
I don't know what you are referring to, anyway the game cannot illustrate the exact political relations of Rudolph, Ottokar, and the Hungarian kings...

Either of us knows something wrong, but Pozsony was hungarian all along (except for a few years maybe?). III. András granted town priviliges to the city in 1291, a few years after Rudolph's reign ended
Zsigmond (Sigismund) just granted free royal town status in 1405, I don't really know from where he should have brought it back?
Also, while Pressburg always had some german population, it was never firmly austrian (actually, not even slightly ). Neither before, nor after Zsigmond's death

EDIT: Btw, 1301-1308 was interregnum in Hungary (after the Arpad-dinasty died), so even if Pozsony was at Habsburg hands for a year or two on paper (but I don't even find anything on this), it has nothing to do with the rising power of the Habsburgs, rather the failing central rule in Hungary (stability issues in the mod)
And there was certainly nothing like "inherited by the Austrians", or "became a part of Austria", not even in name

EDIT2: I just spent more than an hour from my modding time on reading everything I find about this