UU ideas

Varlin Saliptor · Aug 19, 2008

Anyone have suggestions for UU's for the following civs? (These would all be second UU's, I already have one for each so far.)

Babylon (Bowman)
Germany (Panzer)
China (Rider) Cho-Ko-Nu
Japan (Samurai) Zero
France (Musketeer) Chevalier
India (War Elephant)
Zulu (Impi)
England (Man-O-War)
Spain (Conquistador)
Basutoland (Hunter)
Celts (Gallic Swordsman)
Arabia (Ansar Warrior)
Phoencia (Bireme)
Malay [Malaysia] (Tongkang) Pendekar
Hittites (3-Man Chariot)
Dutch (Swiss Merc.)
Portugal (Carrack)
Byzantines (Dromon)
Moors (Camel Warrior)
Tibet (Himalayan Swordsman)

The units in parenthesis are the units that i already have for these civs.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, O You Historians.

Taras Bulba · Aug 19, 2008

Byzantine Cataphract, maybe?

Tank_Guy#3 · Aug 20, 2008

Spoiler :

Don't you mean "Carrack" for Portugal?

Also slightly updated with my two cents worth. Any thoughts? It did take awhile, and I did put quite a bit of thought into it.

Taras Bulba · Aug 20, 2008

AHAHA... that's right... I saw that too, but I didn't wanna' sound stupid if there actually WAS a Portuguese Cossack (I didn't know why there would be)

Varlin Saliptor · Aug 20, 2008

Tank_Guy#3 said:
Don't you mean "Carrack" for Portugal?

Oops, yeah. :blush:

That's what I get for typing too fast, haha.

utahjazz7 · Aug 20, 2008

I'm not sure which search terms to use, but I believe there have been a number of threads on this topic over the years. There are probably suggestions there for a number fo the civs you're interested in.

Varlin Saliptor · Aug 20, 2008

That is what I ~~feared~~ figured I would end up having to do.

Taras Bulba · Aug 20, 2008

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=10555

there is one thread discussing Unique Units I found real quick... just thought I'd help out

you could also steal Civ IV ideas

Cho-Ku-Nu for China
Fast Worker for India
Readcoat for England
East Indiaman for the Dutch
etc...

Blue Monkey · Aug 20, 2008

India = Ratha.

Varlin Saliptor · Aug 20, 2008

Well, BM, you have secured yet another person to your Ratha bandwagon...err, I mean chariot...;-)

Plotinus · Aug 20, 2008

I don't think a Shaolin Monk would be appropriate for Tibet. For England, how about the Dreadnought? Unless you mind having two ships for the same civ, of course.

Tank_Guy#3 · Aug 20, 2008

Plotinus said:
I don't think a Shaolin Monk would be appropriate for Tibet. For England, how about the Dreadnought? Unless you mind having two ships for the same civ, of course.

Well, the first Chinese Shaolin temple was built in the Henan province, or so I've read in a quick search on the topic. Not right next to Tibet, but all you hear about is monks in temples practicing martial arts, so I thought it would be fitting. According to this site (Wiki): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaolin_Monastery

And for the Henan Province: http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Provinces/Province-Henan.jpg

I think I struggled the most with England. There are a good host of units to choose from, but I chose the billman just so they'd have a ground UU along with a sea UU. I didn't want the longbowman because it's almost expected that England would have that as a UU, and I wanted to think outside the box. However, the dreadnought would be a good choice if you decided to stick with solely ocean-going UU's.

Ares de Borg · Aug 20, 2008

Do you mean great innovations that changed history?

England

Germany

Just some examples.

I'm using one of Orthancs ships as Watergeuzen unit for the Dutch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geuzen

Plotinus · Aug 20, 2008

Tank_Guy#3 said:
Well, the first Chinese Shaolin temple was built in the Henan province, or so I've read in a quick search on the topic. Not right next to Tibet, but all you hear about is monks in temples practicing martial arts, so I thought it would be fitting.

Well - that's a bit like saying that a legionary would make a good unit for Sparta, because they're both ancient Mediterranean blokes with shields. There are martial arts-practising monks and then there are martial arts-practising monks. There are various martial arts associated with Tibet, but I don't believe Shaolin has any particular association with the place.

Keroro · Aug 20, 2008

Some random suggestions - I've copied your post and added my suggestions in Italic.

Babylon (Bowman) Either a chariot or spearman would fit best here I guess.
Germany (Panzer) Big hairy man with big axe from the Roman Conquest times, or a Prussian Hussar from much later?
China (Rider) Cho-Ko-Nu Guandao Infantry, (Guandao, someone must have done an infantryman with one of these)?
Japan (Samurai) Zero Yamato class battleship as an alternative.
France (Musketeer) Chevalier
India (War Elephant) Ratha.
Zulu (Impi) Tricky one, possibly the ever controversial Zebra Rider, or a rifle armed zulu?
England (Man-O-War) See below.
Spain (Conquistador) Scutatio, an armoured peltast from around the Roman conquest.
Basutoland (Hunter)
Celts (Gallic Swordsman) Noble Cavalry (Sandris did one recently).
Arabia (Ansar Warrior) A Xebec ship? Or possibly a Dhow. As you haven't got the Ottomans or Turks in the list you could choose a Sipahi or Jannissary too.
Phoencia (Bireme) Not easy again, but as you don't have Carthage in the list you could use a UU from there. Maybe war elephants, Numidian cavalry, sacred band (Zulu did a good Carthage Pikeman you could use).
Malay [Malaysia] (Tongkang) Pendekar
Hittites (3-Man Chariot) Not easy. The Hittites were early adopters of Iron, so maybe an early swordsman?
Dutch (Swiss Merc.) It's got to be a ship hasn't it, how about a fluyt? (Orthanc has probably done something you could use here).
Portugal (Carrack) The same as Spain maybe?
Byzantines (Dromon) Cataphract. (Several to choose from).
Moors (Camel Warrior) Moorish archer? I think they were famous for their archers?
Tibet (Himalayan Swordsman)

England - I agree that the Dreadnought class would be fabulous, but the Maxim Gun could work as an alternative? There's one in the Rise and Fall of the Mughals scenario, but I don't know who did it. I'd argue against the Man-O-War, my understanding is that this was anything but a 'unique' unit, most European nations used them. Possibly an East Indiaman ship would be better if you want a unique sailing craft for the English?

What timescale is this for by the way? I've assumed it was the standard civ timeline of 4000BCE to 2050CE?

Varlin Saliptor · Aug 20, 2008

Keroro said:
What timescale is this for by the way? I've assumed it was the standard civ timeline of 4000BCE to 2050CE?

Yeah, the standard epic timeline. Thanks for the suggestions. In case you (or anyone else) is wondering, there are a full 31 civs, these are just the ones I wussed out on and wanted help with.

As you correctly stated, I do not have the Turks, Ottomans, or Cathaginians in this mod.

@Tank Guy: Wow, what a list! As for the Shaolin Monk idea, Plotinus posted, possibly verbatim, the same response in a previous thread I made. I was already using that exact unit, too. Haha, oh well.

Ogedei_the_Mad · Aug 20, 2008

Tank_Guy#3 said:
Well, the first Chinese Shaolin temple was built in the Henan province, or so I've read in a quick search on the topic. Not right next to Tibet, but all you hear about is monks in temples practicing martial arts, so I thought it would be fitting.

Once again, that bloody stereotype rears its ugly head. :rolleyes:

Tibet's UU should be the Khampa Horseman as I've already posted dozens of times in just about any thread here in the C&C forums that has mentions Tibet or has something to do with East Asia. The warriors of the Kham region are known for their ferocity and served in the armies of Tibetan monarchs.

@Keroro: From what I've read, the guandao wasn't very commonly used in warfare. Zhuge-Nu (Chu-ko-nu) or Rocketeers (which there exists a fabulous unit here on CFC courtesy of utahjazz) would work better.

Dhow is an interesting thought for an Arabian UU. It'd reflect the Arabs mastery of the seas in the medieval period.

For the Moors - maybe something Berber?

Keroro · Aug 20, 2008

To be honest I just love the look of the Guandao, which is why I suggested it, but the rocketeer unit you mention is very special too and would highlight the early use of gunpowder in China.

As for the Moors / Berbers, I'm still not sure. Sorry to fall back on a sea unit again, but the region was known as the Barbary coast in the middle ages, so some kind of pirate corsair might be appropriate?

Mithadan · Aug 20, 2008

Here are some of my ideas:

Babylon (Bowman) an Assyrian unit, like BeBro's Chariot
Germany (Panzer) a 'fall of the Western Roman Empire' Buccellarius (huge Germanic expansion into the West), a Teutonic Knight (Germanic expansion into the East), or a Bismarkian Pickelhaube (unification of Germany & the cowing of Denmark, Austria & France)
England (Man-O-War) Longbowman (Crecy, Agincourt, etc.)
Spain (Conquistador) Tercio

AndrewG · Aug 20, 2008

Keroro said:
Hittites (3-Man Chariot) Not easy. The Hittites were early adopters of Iron, so maybe an early swordsman?

From http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/196108/the.people.that.history.forgot.htm

Behind the chariots come the infantry. Some of the troops carry bows or slings, while others are armed with short lances or broad-bladed choppers. In battle the Hittite army attacks in close order, concentrating its strength at one point along the enemy's line, a point which seldom resists the shock of the Hittite onrush.

I don't think we've got many slingers. Maybe treat it as a bronze age infantry with a low-level bombard?

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