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Afgnwrlrd said:Arabs should get fast moving missionaries.
That would be cool!
On the whole Nazi thing, I think we need to separate the fact that they were evil @!&£s from the fact that they did--in terms of economy, national pride and military power--constitute something of a golden age for a large part of Christian Germany (obviously not for Jewish Germany). I think the Panzer is legit as a UU. I agree that it would, however, be cool to allow the player to focus on Germany's early modern greatness instead, so I'd be happy with something Hanseatic as well--maybe a cog.
flamescreen
Ancient Mariner
frekk said:
True that, however it does have some logic; the Dromon was basically what helped Byzantium last so long(by todays standards anyway), to effectivelly destroy a civ, you usually have to take their capital and Constantinople had the best walls/fortifications of its time; it was much more vulnerable from the sealine, but Dromons(the Greek fire ships) helped to defeat most of the attacking tribes in sea.
Of course the use of cannon changed all that and "The rose of the east" was finally taken from land(and with traitors help for some). Irrelevant detail: the cannons were provided by an Hungarian craftsman, cannonballs weight was of tons and the craftsman never saw his work on action, reported dead killed by a malfunction in one of his cannons.
It must have been terrifying to face those cannons in work. Which reminds me that I don't think they've made a unique unit a cannon, have they? Some civ must have had better for a time, it would be good to see.
Also, a point: Praetorian guard as a UU is comparable to Immortals for Persia; they were only 10000 of them at any time, when the entire army consisted of millions. Of course there are differences, like that the immortals were replenished as soon as some of them died and they saw much more military action than the Praetorians, who probably were more like modern bodyguards, but who knows?
There is this game called Praetorians, maybe they got the idea from this. Anyway, if they'll change it, it would be cool to keep the art as an offered bonus, for scenario making.
Nyvin
Unseen Leader
flamescreen said:
The H'wacha
lol.But anyway, I think Germany having the Panzer is the right thing to do, WW2 was the single most important event during the century, and Germany was pretty much the center of it all. Besides, Germany can't have a Knight UU, they took part in the crusades!! They 'need' knights, lol. And there's too many knight UU already.
If they need a second UU, then maybe something like France's Musketeer, since i'd like to see more then one early firearm UU, and Germany (Prussia, whatever) did have good early Firearms for the seven years war and all that.
And the F-15 has gotta go, lol, I have yet to see a game where it actually does anything that a normal Jet fighter couldn't do. A 'much' better idea would be giving it a better aircraft carrier as a UU. Afterall, it really was the american aircraft carriers that gives america the real 'global' power it has today. An awesome idea would be to let the aircraft carrier carry more planes, course dunno how the golden age with that would work out...
Nyvin said:The H'wacha
But anyway, I think Germany having the Panzer is the right thing to do, WW2 was the single most important event during the century, and Germany was pretty much the center of it all. Besides, Germany can't have a Knight UU, they took part in the crusades!! They 'need' knights, lol. And there's too many knight UU already.
If they need a second UU, then maybe something like France's Musketeer, since i'd like to see more then one early firearm UU, and Germany (Prussia, whatever) did have good early Firearms for the seven years war and all that.
And the F-15 has gotta go, lol, I have yet to see a game where it actually does anything that a normal Jet fighter couldn't do. A 'much' better idea would be giving it a better aircraft carrier as a UU. Afterall, it really was the american aircraft carriers that gives america the real 'global' power it has today. An awesome idea would be to let the aircraft carrier carry more planes, course dunno how the golden age with that would work out...
Seven Years War? Don't you mean Thirty Years War?
The american UU could be the M1 Abrams. Same era as the F 15, but much more useful in CIV. However, we don`t know how aerial combat will be like in CivIV and if they plan to de-emphasize the modern era, a modern UU will be pure and utter crap. Perhaps they could get Monitor, an improved Iron Clad available slightly earlier than the regular Ironclad. Some kind of cavalry could also suit the US, but we have too many cavalry UU`s as it is.
Superkrest
Hero of the Soviet Union
lets just cross our fingers that ariel combat should be improved...because if the F-15 is kept..it must be usefull.
jkp1187
Unindicted Co-Conspirator
The American unique unit should be the B-52 -- it is a weapon that is uniquely identified with the US (no other country flies them, unlike the F-15,) during an era when American military power was and continues to be, relatively and absolutely greater than any other nation. Add its longevity (first flight 1950s, last acft not planned to be phased out until 2030s -- EIGHTY YEARS LATER,) and it's a clear winner, I think...
Superkrest
Hero of the Soviet Union
yeah..thats a really good idea that no one has brought up. i like it. but i think if there are 2 uu's...then one has to be a ground unit....either USmarines(not completely unique in concept, but unique in use and effectivness) or minute men in my opinion
The American UU should be the GI or dough boy (modifying infantry), the minuteman (modifying musketman), the liberty ship (modifying a transport), a super carrier (modifying a carrier), a B-52 (modifying a normal bomber or created from scratch), a rough rider (modifying a cavalry), or an M-1 Abrams tank (modifying Modern Armor). Definitely not the F-15, though.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
What I don't get is why so many people say the G.I. should be the US UU.
G.I. is just another name for infantry. It literaly means "general infantry."
American WWII infantry was more effective simply because they were armed completely with selfloading weapons like the Garand rifles and M1 carbines while other WWII soldiers were armed mostly with bolt action rifles.
A B-52 or an aircraft carrier called the "Super-carrier" would be better UU for America since these are symbols of American power.
G.I. is just another name for infantry. It literaly means "general infantry."
American WWII infantry was more effective simply because they were armed completely with selfloading weapons like the Garand rifles and M1 carbines while other WWII soldiers were armed mostly with bolt action rifles.
A B-52 or an aircraft carrier called the "Super-carrier" would be better UU for America since these are symbols of American power.
Ranger99
Ranger99's Going to NAVY?
Bugfatty, it's true that American GI's were armed with M1 Garrands that had semi-auto capability, which indeed made it THE most usefull rifle out on the battle field, in terms or POWER the M1 sacraficed a lot to achieve the SA mode.
The other nation's bolt-action rifles could take a guy down from twice as far as the M1 and with one shot, while the M1 would take a couple shots into the torso to take a man down, (kill him)
The immortals for the persians were never a good idea, my understanding is that they were elite bodygaurds for the shah, not a mass unit
The pratorian is pretty stupid too, again they were the elite.
The other nation's bolt-action rifles could take a guy down from twice as far as the M1 and with one shot, while the M1 would take a couple shots into the torso to take a man down, (kill him)
The immortals for the persians were never a good idea, my understanding is that they were elite bodygaurds for the shah, not a mass unit
The pratorian is pretty stupid too, again they were the elite.
Vilati Timmadar
Warlord
The Americans should have a special US Marines-unit as UU. That is the ground unit that's most "characteristic" for the US military.
A B-52 would be nice, but we've seen how "useful" an aircraft-UU is...
@OLX:
The seven-year-war was from 1756-1763, so it's correct.
Not so correct is the weapon-argument. This was during the prussian-austrian war in 1866, when the prussians used modern rifles with bullet that were loaded from the back when the austrians still used old rifles that were loaded from the front. The higher rate of fire was deciding the war.
The German UU...what German unit was most famous? Or what tactic?
I think the Blitzkrieg-Panzer is a solid choice. We should stick with it. All other proposals don't come close. The Blitzkrieg-strategy and the massive use of tanks was revolutionary.
A B-52 would be nice, but we've seen how "useful" an aircraft-UU is...
@OLX:
The seven-year-war was from 1756-1763, so it's correct.
Not so correct is the weapon-argument. This was during the prussian-austrian war in 1866, when the prussians used modern rifles with bullet that were loaded from the back when the austrians still used old rifles that were loaded from the front. The higher rate of fire was deciding the war.
The German UU...what German unit was most famous? Or what tactic?
I think the Blitzkrieg-Panzer is a solid choice. We should stick with it. All other proposals don't come close. The Blitzkrieg-strategy and the massive use of tanks was revolutionary.
Afgnwrlrd said:
I think it would be nice if the mongols could have a unit which reflected their IRL advantages: excellent organisation resulting in fast movement, the classic steppe 'charge, retreat then shower with arrows' tactic, superior logistics resulting in larger army sizes (=more power?) and less attrition (= heals faster?), strategic use of psychological warfare so many enemy cities simply surrender when an amry of the UUs approach, an inclusive ethnic identity that treats any steppe nation as 'mongol' resulting in masses of recruits from other nations (= cheaper building costs), the terrain advantages of tough steppe ponies, and...
Well, actually, I guess this UU would just destroy everybody in the medieval period and massively unbalance the warfare system. Come to think of it, that sounds sort of like history...
About UU's. Do we know if they will still trigger Golden Ages. I am under the impression that only 2 Great People will be able to spawn Golden Ages. But i'm not sure. Does someone know the answer to this? If they no longer spawn Golden Ages, that would solve the issue of a Carrier UU for US.
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