V for Vendetta (In America?)

[eyrei]

Well. I might have beleive this had they not put the scene with the Church Bishop trying to get his groove on with Evie. They could have cast him as repentful of his involvement ala the doctor, but they didnt.

Again, I don't think it was attempting to say that Christianity caused his pedophilia, but that the religion had become warped by those in power into nothing more than a tool. He wouldn't be repentent, because he probably didn't even believe in his god, and certainly not in his religion's hell.

In that, I will have to disagree with you....pretty much everyone who espouses any sort of christian dialoge is a vile and evil entity and is killed in the movie.

True, but they are evil in their own right, not because of their religion.

Well, I must point out that many of those "politically apathetic" citizens of the US still consider themselves christian regardless of their inaction. The film will do ok, but it certainly isnt the runaway hit it could have been.

Most non-practicing Christians are not going to be offended by an unflattering depiction of a religion they only pay lip-service to anyway. One of the themes was certainly the corruption of Christianity, and the entire tone of the film would have changed without it. But yeah, it will keep some people from enjoying the movie...

 

[capslock]

I am a conservative dude, Republican, pro-war, etc. and I really liked the movie.

For me, the attempt to connect the story to real events were far fetched and really weak. It wasn't hard to just ignore them (or laugh them off).

Anyway, its a fictional movie, and the fictional government in the movie is evil, and it didn't bother me to be rooting for V (what he did to Eve was pretty wicked though). If you like to think the world is really like that, then thats your business, but you're wrong.

There were some very blatant attempts to connect the story to real life, but like I said, far fetched and not very realistic IMO.

 

[eyrei]

I am a conservative dude, Republican, pro-war, etc. and I really liked the movie.

For me, the attempt to connect the story to real events were far fetched and really weak. It wasn't hard to just ignore them (or laugh them off).

Anyway, its a fictional movie, and the fictional government in the movie is evil, and it didn't bother me to be rooting for V (what he did to Eve was pretty wicked though). If you like to think the world is really like that, then thats your business, but you're wrong.

There were some very blatant attempts to connect the story to real life, but like I said, far fetched and not very realistic IMO.

The connections to the real world have to be taken as exagerations and/or eventualities used to show the reasons that the people in a society must refuse to be ruled by their government and endeavor to rule the government.

Some of the images and such were a little too blatantly political, but not many. The central theme stands though. Apathy is very dangerous, and can be taken advantage of by those who seek power.

 

[capslock]

The connections to the real world have to be taken as exagerations and/or eventualities used to show the reasons that the people in a society must refuse to be ruled by their government and endeavor to rule the government.

Some of the images and such were a little too blatantly political, but not many. The central theme stands though. Apathy is very dangerous, and can be taken advantage of by those who seek power.

Yeah, even as exagerations I don't buy it. And the whole part about the war in Iraq starting the whole mess is flat out stupid, IMO. I certainly didn't buy it. The only people I see gettting excited about RL connections/themes would be extremets on both sides. Ultra conservatives getting mad, and ultra liberals over-celebrating the themes.

I don't know anything about the original comic, though, so I'm not sure how much they changed about hte story, how the government came to power, etc, to try and connect it to todays world.

I really liked the movie though, and I would go see it again.

One part I didn't get, was the last seen when it showed every one taking off their masks. It showed a number of people that had been executed. What was the deal with that?

 

[Syterion]

I think MobBoss, with all due respect, that you're reaching for invisible straws.

Spoiler :

I think the opening speech by Lewis Prothero was clearly indicative of the government using the faith of their country to control them. He was clearly a pawn of the government, and was evil enough to condone the Lark Hill and St. Mary's Virus horrors, thereby showing he clearly didn't believe in the ideals of the religion he was endorsing. In this case, Christianity was the norm of the country and the government wanted unity through faith. The faith happened to be Christianity.

All that said, on topic, the comic was inspired from Thatcherite England, not the US, and if it was set in the US, it probably wouldn't have been banned, and wouldn't have gotten worse reviews as movie people are very left wing. Still, it was a great movie. One of the few in recent times that was epic and still made me care about the characters. Extremely captivating till the end, with moving final scenes, and memorable characters.

 

[Smidgey]

Yeah, even as exagerations I don't buy it. And the whole part about the war in Iraq starting the whole mess is flat out stupid, IMO. I certainly didn't buy it. The only people I see gettting excited about RL connections/themes would be extremets on both sides. Ultra conservatives getting mad, and ultra liberals over-celebrating the themes.

I don't know anything about the original comic, though, so I'm not sure how much they changed about hte story, how the government came to power, etc, to try and connect it to todays world.

I really liked the movie though, and I would go see it again.

One part I didn't get, was the last seen when it showed every one taking off their masks. It showed a number of people that had been executed. What was the deal with that?

It wasn't the war in Iraq. It was just "America's war" which it is described as in the book/comic, the film makers just chose to use real war footage for it, much in the same way they used real footage of riots. Taking the masks off of the dead people at the end is symbolic of the struggle for freedom in the name of those who died. Those who are dead are no longer forgotten and removed from society (the black hood over the head) but will be remembered. They have come out of their invisibility so-to-speak.

 

[eyrei]

One part I didn't get, was the last seen when it showed every one taking off their masks. It showed a number of people that had been executed. What was the deal with that?

Like a lot of other things in the film, this wasn't meant to be taken literally. V actually refers to himself as an 'idea' a couple of times. Symbolism sometimes seemed to take precedence over realism.

 

[MobBoss]

Again, I don't think it was attempting to say that Christianity caused his pedophilia

Uh...pedophilia? She was an adult.

but that the religion had become warped by those in power into nothing more than a tool. He wouldn't be repentent, because he probably didn't even believe in his god, and certainly not in his religion's hell.

You are missing my point. They could have chosen to show the difference between someone who uses religion as a tool of the state...and someone who didnt. But they didnt go there.....everyone who espouses any religion at all in the film is a faschist.

True, but they are evil in their own right, not because of their religion.

So, then..why is there an absence of anyone of religion that is good in the movie?

Most non-practicing Christians are not going to be offended by an unflattering depiction of a religion they only pay lip-service to anyway.

I think you are wrong there. Even those that give lip service do so for a reason. Stuff like this makes them even more uneasy.

 

[eyrei]

Uh...pedophilia? She was an adult.

Someone comments to him before he sees her that she is older than he is used to. Add to that that she dresses like a young girl, and there is the pedophilia.

You are missing my point. They could have chosen to show the difference between someone who uses religion as a tool of the state...and someone who didnt. But they didnt go there.....everyone who espouses any religion at all in the film is a faschist.

Maybe you are right. It is also possible that they didn't think about it...

I think you are wrong there. Even those that give lip service do so for a reason. Stuff like this makes them even more uneasy.

I'm sure it depends entirely on the person, but many won't even notice...

 

[MobBoss]

Well, the weekend box office for V for Vendetta fell an astronomical 52% over this weekend and "Inside Job" easily beat it for the #1 spot.

Since the movie cost 54 million to make its only going to barely make a profit at this rate.

 

[Kingshaggy]

V for Vendetta was a great movie
what happen with the royal family!!!
so far the movie made $46,194,000 in two weeks of release that only for usa sales, every movie take a hit the second week went a another blockbuster opens that week

 

[MobBoss]

V for Vendetta was a great movie what happen so the royal family!!!
so far the movie made $46,194,000 in two weeks of release every movie take a hit the second week went a block buster opens that week

"Inside Man" is hardly a block buster. For a movie with as much hype as V has had a 52% drop in sales is pretty shocking.

Like I said, the movie will make a profit, but its not going to be the hit everyone thought it was prior to its release.

Perhaps those apathetic christians are voting with their pocketbooks after all.