[SCENARIO] Vertical Solar Sistem Map

raxo2222 · Jan 28, 2018

TPEHEP said:
Fixed, probably

Hmm you should condense something like this:

Spoiler EXAMPLE AND PLACEHOLDER :

To something like this.

Spoiler EXAMPLE AND PLACEHOLDER :

This will ensure future compatibility.

You also need to remove lines like these:
TeamReveal=6,

Also remove all units by editing map file, so things like this:
BeginUnit
UnitType=UNIT_BAND, UnitOwner=0
UnitName=Band of Homo neanderthalensis
Damage=0
Level=1, Experience=0
PromotionType=PROMOTION_SENTRY
FacingDirection=4
UnitAIType=UNITAI_SETTLE
EndUnit
won't be here.

You can use oldest versions of each culture representing civilizations.

Edit: Last civilization doesn't have starting position, good job.
I guess I'll just replace these human ancestors with leaders, that ruled as long ago as possible for given continental culture, just like in this thread.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/caveman2endless-toroidal.610871/page-3
So we will have following civs: China, Aborigens, Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Native Americans and Incas as example and placeholder.
I will place them comfortably far from each other, and will place starting locations at coast.

Edit: fixed map issues and replaced human ancestors with oldest civs of each culture.
Starting points were completely weird BTW.
Their location doesn't correspond real world location.
Also I uploaded player/team configuration backup.
You can change civs and move spawning points.
You can add caves and stone nearby starting positions, if these things aren't here.

Spoiler :

I uploaded cleaned up map file, if you want you can change civ/leader types, colors and starting positions.

Harrier · Jan 28, 2018

raxo2222 said:
Worldbuilder is ancient and pukes trash in map file every time you save map.

Everytime you want to upload or play map after saving it you need to do following things:
Following line must be removed: MaxTurns=(any number)
All unit and team reveal infos needs to be removed as well.
You need to have backup of Team and Player infos too.
These tips are valid if you want to make standard scenarios.

That crap was annoying, when I made my spacemap.

You need to use the Java file WBCleaner. It does a lot of that for you. Although you still need team/player info as a backup file.

It is referenced somewhere in this thread. Try looking at RidetheSpiral23 posts.

MagnusIlluminus · Jan 28, 2018

Raxo2222, the whole point is to NOT use the normal leaders & civs. At least, that seems to be the point. I like that it uses generic civs, as having modern era, USA Civil War era, or other relatively modern civs starting in prehistoric is slightly odd. I make do with the normal C2C, but having something be slightly different is good now and then. Especially as this is a scenario, not just a map for general use.

In other words, it isn't broken, so don't "fix" it.

raxo2222 · Jan 29, 2018

MagnusIlluminus said:
Raxo2222, the whole point is to NOT use the normal leaders & civs. At least, that seems to be the point. I like that it uses generic civs, as having modern era, USA Civil War era, or other relatively modern civs starting in prehistoric is slightly odd. I make do with the normal C2C, but having something be slightly different is good now and then. Especially as this is a scenario, not just a map for general use.

In other words, it isn't broken, so don't "fix" it.

This is why I said he may change starting civilizations above.
Also I used most ancient civs as possible.
I wanted to fix starting positions and remove units from map.
Civs and leaders I used were essentially placeholders.
Things like civics and state religion shouldn't be in map file.

MagnusIlluminus · Jan 29, 2018

raxo2222 said:
This is why I said he may change starting civilizations above.

That comment does not make sense in relation to my comment.

In your earlier post, you are (or at least, seem to be) saying that he MUST change from using the generic civs to using specific ones. The point of this scenario is to use Wrub, not Washington. To use Sinanthropus Pekinesis, not China. Using the BtS normal civs makes this scenario less unique and less interesting. Why are you trying to ruin it?

Also, why are you insisting that the settler units be removed? If those are removed, a player will not be able to make their first settlement. That does not make sense. Why would you do that?

Let me put this more clearly. Everything that you mentioned in post 21 seems to me to be breaking the scenario rather than helping it. Why are you trying to break it?

You probably should not just go and "fix" someone else's work without them asking you to. That is very presumptuous on your part. You are assuming that you know what they want better than they do. That is almost always a bad idea, unless you personally know the other person very, very well.

____

On the other hand, since this is not my work, my opinion is not really the most important one. That would be up to TPEHEP to decide if he likes those proposals. Then, if he likes them, he can incorporate them - or possibly ask you to. It is his scenario after all.

raxo2222 · Jan 29, 2018

MagnusIlluminus said:
That comment does not make sense in relation to my comment.

In your earlier post, you are (or at least, seem to be) saying that he MUST change from using the generic civs to using specific ones. The point of this scenario is to use Wrub, not Washington. To use Sinanthropus Pekinesis, not China. Using the BtS normal civs makes this scenario less unique and less interesting. Why are you trying to ruin it?

Also, why are you insisting that the settler units be removed? If those are removed, a player will not be able to make their first settlement. That does not make sense. Why would you do that?

Let me put this more clearly. Everything that you mentioned in post 21 seems to me to be breaking the scenario rather than helping it. Why are you trying to break it?

You probably should not just go and "fix" someone else's work without them asking you to. That is very presumptuous on your part. You are assuming that you know what they want better than they do. That is almost always a bad idea, unless you personally know the other person very, very well.

____

On the other hand, since this is not my work, my opinion is not really the most important one. That would be up to TPEHEP to decide if he likes those proposals. Then, if he likes them, he can incorporate them - or possibly ask you to. It is his scenario after all.

It was example on having minimalist civilization definition, also this washington example was from my space map.
I never said he has to use USA.
Also China, Inca, Native Americans, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Aborigens or their ancestors were a thing on beginning of ancient era.
Also you don't need units - they will be spawned on starting position.
There is no need for list of starting civics and state religions on game start scenario.
I edited my post #21 to be clearer, that these civs were placeholders for fixing starting positions, that spawn units.

TPEHEP · Jan 29, 2018

raxo2222 said:
It was example on...

You can change my map as you like and put it separately. The higher the variety - the better for everyone

raxo2222 · Jan 29, 2018

TPEHEP said:
You can change my map as you like and put it separately. The higher the variety - the better for everyone

That change was basically removing units, fixing starting positions, removing revealed tiles and removing civics/state religion section from player infos.
I used certain civs, as I needed placeholder.
I'll try to exactly replicate your civs and try to set starting positions where units were placed.
Basically civics, state religions, starting era (player info), units (unless you want to have them on map) and teamreveal shouldn't be defined in scenarios, that start from beginning.
Also one civ had 1600 starting gold.

There were original BeginPlayer:

Spoiler :

And these are changes, that I wanted to be done:

Spoiler :

I'm not very good at English, so my post was misunderstood....
No idea why he thought my placeholders HAVE to be used.....
Edit: If you want to have units on map, then leave them.
One of civs has starting point and units too close to natural wonder.

TPEHEP · Jan 29, 2018

raxo2222 said:
That change was

Fragmentally accepted. Fixed.

raxo2222 said:
Also one civ had 1600 starting gold.

No, that's because they are discovering Nathure Wanders

I didn't change starting position - hobbits should stay hobbits

raxo2222 · Jan 29, 2018

TPEHEP said:
Fragmentally accepted. Fixed.

No, that's because they are discovering Nathure Wanders

I didn't change starting position - hobbits should stay hobbits

I know it was nature wonder, but I said that was saved into file.
Also removed modified file.
You didn't uploaded updated version of it though.

MagnusIlluminus · Jan 29, 2018

Raxo2222 is correct about the South American civ. It did start the game with 1600 gold, then instantly discovered a Natural Wonder (because it started immediately next to it) and gained another 400, for a total of 2000 gold at start. While this seems like a lot, they are starting in jungle and not coastal, so with those disadvantages it might be balanced. Maybe.

raxo2222 · Jan 30, 2018

Where is scenario?

TPEHEP · Jan 30, 2018

raxo2222 said:
Where is scenario?

oops

raxo2222 · Jan 30, 2018

TPEHEP said:
oops

You might want to change description:
Description= [Adjusted for 50 Civs]

Change it to:
Description= Space map with 7 Civs representing different main culture
or something like that.

Also units location doesn't correspond to starting location, for example player 0:

Spoiler Starting location in bold :

Spoiler location of players units in bold :

Starting X/Y would have to be changed to units location.

Also TeamReveal= lines should be removed - units would reveal tiles anyway.

So map file would be tidier for someone, who wanted to modify it.

TPEHEP · Jan 30, 2018

raxo2222 said:
Also TeamReveal= lines should be removed - units would reveal tiles anyway.

I'm not ready to manually clean 176 lines yet

Given that they have little to do with anything.

raxo2222 · Jan 30, 2018

TPEHEP said:
I'm not ready to manually clean 176 lines yet
Given that they have little to do with anything.

They reveal tiles, that might be not revealed in game start.
also if you press ctrl+f then there should be option named "replace all"
Just copy TeamReveal=0, leave "replace to" section blank, and change this 0 to 1 all way to 6.

TPEHEP · Jan 30, 2018

raxo2222 said:
You might want to change...

Fixed

raxo2222 · Jan 30, 2018

TPEHEP said:
Fixed

You forgot about commas

Replace "," with blank lines - find loose commas, copy it along with empty space behind it.

TPEHEP · Jan 30, 2018

raxo2222 said:
Replace "," with blank lines - find loose commas, copy it along with empty space behind it.

Do not understand

raxo2222 · Jan 30, 2018

TPEHEP said:
Do not understand

Replace "<TAB>," with empty space - there are now loose "," floating in file.

That is you didn't look too carefully at teamreveal first

Edit: uploaded file with cleaned commas.
I tested game and it loaded meaning it works.

When you download it, and put it in your first post, then reply here, that I can remove scenario from my post.
Edit: File cleaned by owner and removed from this post.

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