Vikings and the Swedish

[Plotinus]

Not all British people are English, you know. There are Scots, Welsh, and Irish too. And the English aren't really Anglo-Saxons either, at least not now. The Anglo-Saxons were just one group who went to make up the English, because there has been constant immigration ever since the Romans turned up there. For example, it has been estimated that three quarters of all English people alive today are descended in part from French Huguenots who migrated there in the seventeenth century. Where I live in south London you'll hardly see a white face, let alone an Anglo-Saxon, but that doesn't mean they're not English.

 

[William GBTW]

But the English ethnicity was made by the merge of Anglo-Saxons and Normandy; correct? I'm well aware of the Scots, Welish and Irish and the immirgrant; just was simplifying too much.

 

[Plotinus]

The Anglo-Saxons, the Normans, and lots of others too. I doubt very much that any English people today are predominantly either Anglo-Saxon (itself a simplified term for a whole mixture of peoples) or Norman.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Swedes and Norwegians clashed often in early modern times, but the Norwegians were then Danish subjects. Back in the middle ages, Sweden and Norway didn't fight alot, because their foreign policies were oriented in different directions.

Sweden's traditional enemies are/were Denmark and Novgorod/Russia.

Sweden did not fight in the Bosnian War. We did, however send peacekeepers there; we've done so also to the Sinai, Kosovo, and a bunch other places. The closest thing we've fought to a real war after the Napoleonic period was in the early 1960s, when Swedish bluehelmets in Congo-Kinshasa became involved in beating up the Katangan separatists.

 

[William GBTW]

Sweden set peacekeepers; and has lost lives in the Balkans and therefore I would say that Sweden was engaged in a military operation therefore a noble war.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Well, then I can only say your definitions are odd.

 

[William GBTW]

Well, then I can only say your definitions are odd.

My definitions are in line with L'OTAN. Anyways you live in Sweden?

 

[The Last Conformist]

Who/what is L'OTAN?

Yes, I live in Sweden. Linköping, to be exact.

 

[William GBTW]

You live near the Gota Canal, to the SW of Norrkoping. L'OTAN is french for NATO, Sweden almost joined NATO but Soviet Pressure prevented it from doing so.

 

[mrtn]

William, why are you trying to teach Swedish history to a Swede? Especially to one who's shown that he knows very much of it?

BTW, I suppose your sig should say Storm Grunt, and not StromGrunt...

 

[The Last Conformist]

@William GBTW: While Soviet pressure was one of the reasons Sweden did not join the NATO back when it was founded, it wasn't a question of "prevention" - the Soviets were in no position to forcibly stop us from joining.

Re: the NATO definition of war, you're not thinking Sweden participitated in the NATO attacks on Republika Srpska and Afghanistan, are you? We did not, but in both instances merely sent peacekeepers after the formal end of war.

 

[conquer_dude]

Let's put it here!!!

We know the Swedish and the Norwegians fought each other ONCE at least! Well this scenerio will be on that war. It does not have to be HISTORICALLY CORRECT, just an interesting scenerio that people are to enjoy. And, yes Denmark should be in there hence they could become a part of the war. There only needs to be a small part of Denmark on the map though.

 

[mrtn]

Oh, you mean you'll base it on the "war" where the Swedish army marched north from Germany, into Denmark, and said "Give us Norway or else..."?
You mean that war, taking place hundreds of kilometers south of Norway?

 

[conquer_dude]

Not necesarrily... But like I said it does no thave to be historically correct, just enjoyable.

But I can't believe the argument that sprung up here.

 

[William GBTW]

Actually the war when like in 1800-1810 Norway broke from Sweden or even better the thiry years war would make a good scenario and be orinignal!

 

[Wolfhart]

Actually the war when like in 1800-1810 Norway broke from Sweden or even better the thiry years war would make a good scenario and be orinignal!

The Thirty Years’ War could indeed be an interesting scenario, but that would include Central Europe and a whole lotta German states as well. The breakup of the union Sweden-Norway (1905, not 1800-1810) could make a playable what-if scenario: the Karlstad negotiations fail and King Oscar II doesn't get dissuaded from war by the Second Reich. The war in Norway 1814, when Sweden under that French mercenary forced the Norwegians into the union, is so one-sided that it wouldn’t make a playable scenario without some serious falsification of history.

 

[The Last Conformist]

If you want a Norwego-Swedish scenario, my suggestion would be taking one of the early modern Dano-Swedish wars that involved substantial fighting along the Norwegian border, and make a scenario that only covers that theatre.

 

[William GBTW]

Or make futuristic Sceaniro or better just a a mod like the Danization but for Sweden.

 

[conquer_dude]

Or make futuristic Sceaniro or better just a a mod like the Danization but for Sweden.

A future Sweden - Norway - Denmark scenerio! Dude that would be flipping awesome. OMG! OMFG! *explodes*

We should do that.

It should take place in 2016.

"2016 Denamark, Norway and Sweden war"

Things needed:
Map
City placement (I could do that probably)
Leaderheads or flags are good enough
Units (Maybe?)
Civilizations (there is no Sweden or Denmark civ (I could probably work on that)
City list (Not me)

 

[Ares de Borg]

Civilizations (there is no Sweden or Denmark civ (I could probably work on that)
City list (Not me)

You might find this useful (did I post this yet?):

http://www.geocities.com/civ_army_1994/civilizacoes.htm

Here you find some civilizations + city names iirc.