War Against The EU

[mitsho]

I have to say, some people in here have strange believings of the EU. I mean the EU is far away from being led by the French. DON'T believe everything you're super presiden bush says.

I certainly try it out when (if?) you upload it.

mitsho

 

[soccerrules]

Sorry, I haven't had access to a computer since I started this thread, so I couldn't read the suggestions. I requested Thunderfall to let me upload it moments ago. This thread seems to have become a political discussion.

 

[frenchman]

Sorry, I haven't had access to a computer since I started this thread, so I couldn't read the suggestions. I requested Thunderfall to let me upload it moments ago. This thread seems to have become a political discussion.

It seems that your future mod will be very interesting ... Give EU good means and it will be ok ...

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

EU only French? Oh, my God! This remember me when Britain had fear of a Jacobin Europe, with Napoleon!

Have you ever ear about some country like,... uhm, if I'm right... Germany and Italy?
The President of EU Commission was Prodi (Italy), now is a Portuguese. EU Central banker was Duisenberg (Germany), EU parliament is Cox (Eire). EU hymn is the Hymn of Joy, by Beethoven (German) and official language are all 25 language. A very French lobby, you can see.

And for british mesaurements (now abolished on Britain), why the International System use meters, Kilos and liters?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I'm against the European Union idea because it will likely spawn similiar organizations on other continents. Economic unity first, then political unity. Unless steps are taken to prevent it, the EU will become a country, and not simply an economic union. I'm also against the World Trade Organization, because global economic interpendants will lead to a World Government. The EU being a country will only speed up this process.

 

[frenchman]

I'm against the European Union idea because it will likely spawn similiar organizations on other continents. Economic unity first, then political unity. Unless steps are taken to prevent it, the EU will become a country, and not simply an economic union. I'm also against the World Trade Organization, because global economic interpendants will lead to a World Government. The EU being a country will only speed up this process.

Hello Sword of Geddon ! I know that it's a but I can't resist to answer you a last time ... USA were , if I good remember, different states which allied themselves together... Some states were french like ... Louisiane.. It's the same for France , I live in south of France and this area was not french 500 years ago ... Same for Germany... Italy ... United Kindom ..etc .. This is the walk of history that little states ally and become bigger ...Personnally I believe in the future global human Union .. It's the only way for us to survive and to turn ourself to a new target : the Space ...
I'm tired of all our wars, we are all humans, no ?

I prefer to fight against Orcs ...

( This mail doesn't cancel my previous mail about the actual war )

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Yes, I hate war. I think war is stupid. But if theres a one-world government, that will replace the evil of war with the evil of tyranny. I think a better way of doing it would be to have every country as a Democracy, since Democracys don't make war on other Democracys, and can generally get along better.

Another danger of the EU is that the people of a country would have a foreign will imposed on them. Granted its to late for the US, its not to late for you guys. Economic Unions are fine. Britain already has the Commonwealth.

 

[muffins]

Soccerrules - can you post some preview pics of your mod? I just want to see how you've handled Civ3 in space. Pleeeeeese

How about a list of units and technology to and their effects too?

@Sword_of_Geddon - how can you be against unification? That's like being against the unification of Italy and Germany in the 19th century I can't imagine you grinding your teeth in frustration at the thought of Prussia and Naples not being independent

Freedom for Saxony!

 

[CivArmy s. 1994]

I was thinking to do a genetic European Leader to EU fantasy Civilization weeks ago, maybe it could be useful in this Mod
But I'm busy these days with dozens of new civilizations and other stuffs, but I wanna build te UE Fantasy Civ when I have time.
PS: the word "fantasy" was used, cos the civ is a group of many civis togheter, so, it is not a real civ

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

@Sword: Remember that USA were created for economic problems (your ancestors didn't like to pay taxes to the king), after become a political thing. EU is 51 years old, so I think that is the time to have our political unity. Actually, the new Constitution make EU more near to citizens.

The truth is that USA don't like that Europe become an alternative power on world's scene.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The European Countries are banding toghether because alone they don't have the influence they once did. If Prussian and Naplese people wanted independence, thats their right.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Like southern Usa states

 

[Red Threat]

Well you guys seem to be the most influencial member of the EU. As a rule, the most influencal member of a group is always the leader. I have nothing against Frence people, but I find the actions of the French Government of late to be deplorable. Please elect someone else other than Jasque Chirac! Please! I want my country and yours to be friends again!

Underline: the french seem to be the most influencial. Really, the first power of the European country is only one: DEUTSCHELAND, with its powerful industial system, its economy and its poulation (over 80 millions). The Paris-Berlin axis has been done in order to give to the EU the political and military power of France BUT the economic power of Germany: so without France Germany (and EU) are nothing; and without Germany France (and EU) are less than nothing.

And nobody has to forget that the most "active" countries of Europe are the southern: Purtugal, Spain and Greece have the highest economic growth of the continent (forget Italy because of that idiot of Berlusconi who's going to be kicked in the ass by us, socialist and communist opposition). The "heart" of Europe so is moving to south and east. I would not wonder if in the future European Federation will not take part the UK: its people is too much reluctant.

Finally, I agree with muffins about that US servant of Tony Blair and with frenchman about the "dream" of a World Union, and I think that despite J. Chirac is a right-side politician, he's a very wise and skilled and leads a brilliant foreign policy.

 

[Red Threat]

The truth is that USA don't like that Europe become an alternative power on world's scene.

And they know that our economy is already stronger. And that our economic system is sustainable and not parassitary, so we don't need to go on war in order to make the corporations and the middle class happy.

 

[frenchman]

Underline: the french seem to be the most influencial. Really, the first power of the European country is only one: DEUTSCHELAND, with its powerful industial system, its economy and its poulation (over 80 millions). The Paris-Berlin axis has been done in order to give to the EU the political and military power of France BUT the economic power of Germany: so without France Germany (and EU) are nothing; and without Germany France (and EU) are less than nothing.

And nobody has to forget that the most "active" countries of Europe are the southern: Purtugal, Spain and Greece have the highest economic growth of the continent (forget Italy because of that idiot of Berlusconi who's going to be kicked in the ass by us, socialist and communist opposition). The "heart" of Europe so is moving to south and east. I would not wonder if in the future European Federation will not take part the UK: its people is too much reluctant.

Finally, I agree with muffins about that US servant of Tony Blair and with frenchman about the "dream" of a World Union, and I think that despite J. Chirac is a right-side politician, he's a very wise and skilled and leads a brilliant foreign policy.

I like this thread because we are seeing a real Union of european people .. Long life to Europa !!

Humm ! Soccerrules ... Please don't forget to give us good weapons in your mod ...

 

[kulade]

Please remember this is a scenario not a debate thread. Go spam in OT.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Ok, the last one.

I like this thread because we are seeing a real Union of european people .. Long life to Europa !!

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Or, on english:

Joy, o wondrous spark divine,
Daughter of Elysium,
Drunk with fire now we enter,
Heavenly one, your holy shrine.
Your magic powers join again
What fashion strictly did divide;
Brotherhood unites all men
Where your gentle wing's spread wide.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

And they know that our economy is already stronger. And that our economic system is sustainable and not parassitary, so we don't need to go on war in order to make the corporations and the middle class happy.

Your mean. Communism is an evil system which is anti-religion and anti-cultural. More people have died under communist governments than under Hitler's accursed Nazi Germany.

The US went to War to protect ourselves from Terrorism, not for any economic reasons. In fact, the economy is hurting because lots of our budget is going into the Military.

A better name for you would be Red Meanie! So there!

 

[Red Threat]

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Longa vita Europae (Latin) or... Lange Leben für Europa (German)


@Sword of Geddon

I'm not Communist. I belong to a party called "Democrats of Left" (the first one of Italy) which is pro-free trade but, first of all, pro-democracy, pro-Europe and pro-working class.

My party is "son" of the Italian Communist party, it is true, but the Italian Communism was (is) totally different from the Soviet one. It was pro-democracy, anti-totalitarian, and pacifist. Our old leader, E. Berlinguer, was hated in Moscow because he said that "he felt himself safer in N.A.T.O." and that the Soviet Union was totalitarian. This great man was called by Kissinger the "Red Threat" because he dreamt a world without war, a Europe democrat and socialist and the end of USSR and USA military and political supremacy. Now you can understand my nick.

I hope this will be the last OT post.


About the "war against EU" mod, how can I download it and make it compatible with a non-English version of C3C?!

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I don't think I'd mind the US having a weaker military if other allied nations had a stronger military. Most of the European Countries(With the exception of Great Britain and several other European Powers), have been content to let the US fight for them.

The funny part about this mod is, its Anti-EU! And you guys want to play it!