the_elf
Warlord
yendorian said:
Well, when you do, it can't be pillaged for one. But, you don't get the same bonuses off the tile that you would get for a pasture, etc.
It might be taking into account the tiles around the stone or horse, also.
Warlords Patch 2.08 Released!
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Well, when you do, it can't be pillaged for one. But, you don't get the same bonuses off the tile that you would get for a pasture, etc.
It might be taking into account the tiles around the stone or horse, also.
jray
King
yendorian said:
Yes, I think that is part of the AI improvements from Blake. I can't comment in particular on how well it's implemented, but in general, IMHO it's often wise to settle on top of a resource. For example, if it's a resource like Fur or Silk or Rice with crap yields, you can save yourself the time required to build the improvement by just settling on it. Also, sometimes you won't have enough food to work all the resource tiles anyway, and you'll be better off settling on top of it to get the latent bonus immediately (for example, settling atop Copper gives your city tile +1 hammer).
EDIT: Does anyone have a guide on which latent bonuses you keep/lose by settling on them? I've noticed, for example, that you lose the latent +1 commerce if you settle atop Fur. And you destroy Flood Plains if you settle on those.
Hello All,
I have suffered a problem to install the latest warlords 2.08 patch. The error message is that
" The setup has detected that no version of Sid Meier's Civilization 4 - warlords is installed.
The update requires that a previous version of the application be installed"
However, I have civilization 4 and warlords installed. I bought mine from Direct2Drive.com (I downloaded from Direct2Drive and activate online without CD). Is it the problem that I cannot update the patch? Please let me know if you have any idea, thank you.
I have suffered a problem to install the latest warlords 2.08 patch. The error message is that
" The setup has detected that no version of Sid Meier's Civilization 4 - warlords is installed.
The update requires that a previous version of the application be installed"
However, I have civilization 4 and warlords installed. I bought mine from Direct2Drive.com (I downloaded from Direct2Drive and activate online without CD). Is it the problem that I cannot update the patch? Please let me know if you have any idea, thank you.
Get the smaller one- the only difference is that version doesn't have a stupid as hell CD checks. Since I'm sick of game companies treating the consumer like criminals- I say we all use the version without the CD check. (and yes, that's one reason I like Stardock so much- Firaxis isn't that bad as far as game companies go- but I'd still like to send a message that companies shouldn't use CD checks- they don't stop piracy, they just aggravate legitimate customers into piracy)
gamershell.com has the smaller download.
This is the email I sent to Firaxis regarding this. Again, they don't deserve to be flamed, but they should have comments sent to them- the more they get, the more they might get the message. Keep it polite though.
I am commenting because lately there has been a small controversy regarding your latest patch. Two identical versions have been released, one with a CD-copy protection, one without.
I do not wish to have CD-copy protection on games I legitimately buy. As such, I will not download your "official" patch, but I will download the smaller, less intrusive, but just as accurate patch from www.gamershell.com.
CD copy protections and many other forms of "piracy" protection, do more to annoy legitimate customers and drive the more tech-savvy of them to piracy, at least to get the game working in a convenient way. Many of my friends buy the legitimate copy, then immediately look for the crack.
You can still do piracy protection without a CD-check. CD-checks mostly only benefit mediocre game developers who do not enhance their product after release. Two of your biggest competitors, Stardock and Paradox, who also, like you, make high quality games, have gotten rid of the checks. In future, this will be a consideration on my future purchases. I'd like to ask you, if possible (I understand your publisher might balk out of fear- companies like Starforce have used terror tactics to scare publishers), to in future, not include CD-checks to play the game. Perhaps the Stardock model can be used- the only gamers who have had trouble with that model are those who bought the used game.
Thank you, and I hope you continue to make quality games that I wish to purchase- preferably without overintrusive copy protection.
gamershell.com has the smaller download.
This is the email I sent to Firaxis regarding this. Again, they don't deserve to be flamed, but they should have comments sent to them- the more they get, the more they might get the message. Keep it polite though.
I am commenting because lately there has been a small controversy regarding your latest patch. Two identical versions have been released, one with a CD-copy protection, one without.
I do not wish to have CD-copy protection on games I legitimately buy. As such, I will not download your "official" patch, but I will download the smaller, less intrusive, but just as accurate patch from www.gamershell.com.
CD copy protections and many other forms of "piracy" protection, do more to annoy legitimate customers and drive the more tech-savvy of them to piracy, at least to get the game working in a convenient way. Many of my friends buy the legitimate copy, then immediately look for the crack.
You can still do piracy protection without a CD-check. CD-checks mostly only benefit mediocre game developers who do not enhance their product after release. Two of your biggest competitors, Stardock and Paradox, who also, like you, make high quality games, have gotten rid of the checks. In future, this will be a consideration on my future purchases. I'd like to ask you, if possible (I understand your publisher might balk out of fear- companies like Starforce have used terror tactics to scare publishers), to in future, not include CD-checks to play the game. Perhaps the Stardock model can be used- the only gamers who have had trouble with that model are those who bought the used game.
Thank you, and I hope you continue to make quality games that I wish to purchase- preferably without overintrusive copy protection.
indeed.
ajackmeh16
Chieftain
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Anyone who has anymore troubles with it, just download it from Gamershell and then reinstall Warlords before installing the patch and you should be good to go. It worked for me.
heihojin
Prince
I would like to thank Firaxis once again for demonstrating their utter indifference to the PBEM community in releasing another patch that apparently is not backwards compatible. I am unable to load all three of my v1.00 PBEM games with the new patch, and it appears as though all of my players in these games will be forced to maintain dual installations of Civilization IV - Warlords as a result of Firaxis's blatant disregard for our games.
It is unfortunate that the PBEM community represents such a small proportion of Civilization IV players, and that Firaxis can get away with screwing us over on a regular basis. Firaxis has worked hard to earn my everlasting spite, and it deserves to lose its customers to a competing developer that actually gives a damn.
heihojin
It is unfortunate that the PBEM community represents such a small proportion of Civilization IV players, and that Firaxis can get away with screwing us over on a regular basis. Firaxis has worked hard to earn my everlasting spite, and it deserves to lose its customers to a competing developer that actually gives a damn.
heihojin
Jawsofwar
Chieftain
Heihojun what did you really expect? Blatant disregard? Yep I am sure they did this on purpose just to annoy you! lol
Patches change the game so how could an old game work? Some people can never be pleased!
Patches change the game so how could an old game work? Some people can never be pleased!heihojin
Prince
What do I expect? I expect some consideration for players who are in existing games, especially given that Firaxis has developed such lengthy multiplayer game modes as PBEM and PTBS. I expect reasonable efforts made for updates to be backwards compatible, as most of their patches have been. I expect customer-focused software development. What do you expect?Jawsofwar said:Heihojun what did you really expect? Blatant disregard? Yep I am sure they did this on purpose just to annoy you! lol
Ever since Civilization III: Play the World, Firaxis has screwed over PBEM players. Less than a year after its release, I had to require my PBEM players to maintain two distinct installations of Play the World thanks to a FUBARed patch release by Firaxis. They screwed the pooch yet again a year or so later after releasing Conquests, and I still have two PBEM games running on v1.20 of Conquests (as opposed to v1.22) as a result.
The first vanilla Civilization IV patch was likewise not backwards compatible, and if it hadn't been for one of my technically adept players hacking the game files for my Civ 4 PBEM games I would have had to restart them from scratch. And here we are yet again, with Firaxis demonstrating their remarkable capacity for indifference and screwing with Warlords PBEM.
It's not that I can't be satisfied; it's that after years of being inconvenienced by Firaxis, I've learned that they don't give a damn about their PBEM players. Personally, I fail to understand why they even bother to waste development resources on PBEM since they are evidently unconcerned with supporting it adequately.
heihojin
TAfirehawk
WoC Team Manager
Simple solution....if you are playing current games and don't want to start new ones, then don't patch.
That common principle far exceeds Civ and Firaxis....
That common principle far exceeds Civ and Firaxis....
heihojin
Prince
Brilliant!TAfirehawk said:
Except for the fact that I and other PBEM players might want to start new games. Go figure!
heihojin
jray
King
heihojin said:Brilliant!
Except for the fact that I and other PBEM players might want to start new games. Go figure!
heihojin
This isn't a dilemma unique to PBEM players. It applies to everyone trying to continue pre-2.08 games in 2.08. It won't work.
I for one don't mind too much... it would be an enormous effort to make game loading backward compatible, and even though some gaming companies go out of their way to implement it, I kinda like to see development effort put elsewhere. Despite being nit-picky sometimes, I really do respect the effort Firaxis makes to patch their games & listen to the community
.TAfirehawk
WoC Team Manager
Thanks jray....there was a specific reason I didn't quote the previous post when I made the comment about not patching....
HitAnyKey
Lunatic
The Pre-patch PBEM games DO work with the Patch. The Game admin just has to clear the Admin password while under the non-patched version. Then that save gets loaded into the Patch version.
jprc
My dog is smarter than me
What is PBEM?
What is "vanilla" Civilization? (I saw this "vanilla" word - too - many times...)
Regarding the 2 patches, exact, Gamershell was (I guess they updated their servers since) delivering an uprotected 2.08 (unprotected is 62 041 451 byes or 59.1MB), which I downloaded and installed (see my "beware" paragraph below). If it is removed, and if the community still wishes it, I will upload it on my site and give the link: it is a patch released from the programmer, no reverse-engineering, no unlegal cracks, so then it is not against the forum's rules, and this patch requires an official CD for re-installing Warlords. It is then only for those who legally own the software. Just let me know in your posts if you are interrestd in this link.
BEWARE: you will probably crash if you install the "unprotected" patch over your current installation, especially if you have mods installed. If you crash, uninstall Warlord (NOT Civ4), and reinstall from your original CD, be sure your "CivilizationIV.ini" has no reference to a mod folder, then apply the patch.
Do NOT install the mod "HOF", as after doing so the system crashed again (Windows reporting system...). I now use Warlord without having to introduce my CD, and waith for a new version of HOF mod.
I am grateful to Firaxis for this. As I own only official games, I feel very relax using my software unprotected, and as I only use a laptop and is always on the move, it is very nice.
I agree with Arstal (post #127). And I regret that www.direct2drive.com restricts too many on-line purchase/downloads to the american market.
About Warlords on direct2drive: "This title is available for purchase in the US, Canada, Mexico, and the United Kingdom only.
When I asked direct2drive why they do this restriction, they quickly and kindly answered that the programmers of the titles are the one who choose what and who to restrict...
I WANT to buy the game, I am ok with protections, and I do NOT want to use a CD. It is why direct2drive is the answer as I can download an official game and use it without CD...
This is NOT nice for those who are not US (or close allies...), and it is encouraging the rest of the World not to purchase protected downloadable copies of the game, but just cracking them. Stupid move.
What is "vanilla" Civilization? (I saw this "vanilla" word - too - many times...)
Regarding the 2 patches, exact, Gamershell was (I guess they updated their servers since) delivering an uprotected 2.08 (unprotected is 62 041 451 byes or 59.1MB), which I downloaded and installed (see my "beware" paragraph below). If it is removed, and if the community still wishes it, I will upload it on my site and give the link: it is a patch released from the programmer, no reverse-engineering, no unlegal cracks, so then it is not against the forum's rules, and this patch requires an official CD for re-installing Warlords. It is then only for those who legally own the software. Just let me know in your posts if you are interrestd in this link.
BEWARE: you will probably crash if you install the "unprotected" patch over your current installation, especially if you have mods installed. If you crash, uninstall Warlord (NOT Civ4), and reinstall from your original CD, be sure your "CivilizationIV.ini" has no reference to a mod folder, then apply the patch.
Do NOT install the mod "HOF", as after doing so the system crashed again (Windows reporting system...). I now use Warlord without having to introduce my CD, and waith for a new version of HOF mod.
I am grateful to Firaxis for this. As I own only official games, I feel very relax using my software unprotected, and as I only use a laptop and is always on the move, it is very nice.
I agree with Arstal (post #127). And I regret that www.direct2drive.com restricts too many on-line purchase/downloads to the american market.
About Warlords on direct2drive: "This title is available for purchase in the US, Canada, Mexico, and the United Kingdom only.
When I asked direct2drive why they do this restriction, they quickly and kindly answered that the programmers of the titles are the one who choose what and who to restrict...
I WANT to buy the game, I am ok with protections, and I do NOT want to use a CD. It is why direct2drive is the answer as I can download an official game and use it without CD...
This is NOT nice for those who are not US (or close allies...), and it is encouraging the rest of the World not to purchase protected downloadable copies of the game, but just cracking them. Stupid move.
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