Ok I agree with you on the wargalley arguement. It's only supposed to be a trireme for the Eastern civs, including Phoenicia and Persia. They were made of strong cedar wood so they were somewhat better. But since Carthage had both of them and still employed trieres, I lowered it to 3.3.6 with a bonus hitpoint over trieres (+3hp). That way they are still stronger on defense but more expensive and have a lower attack. I've also tried playing on DEBUG and quit for the same reason. I concluded you guys will be the best debuggers and I was right. Thnx for that . I hope I got rid of most of the bugs. From what you told me wolfman, my attempt worked like a charm. Camps are especially there for ZOC. Until you kill em they'll kill your garrisons. It's quite realistic if you think of it, you can't conquer a country until you eliminate all resistance. That's why we still speak a Latin language here in the middle of the Slavs . Leaving the joke aside, all Barbarian nations, Including the Germans, Gauls, Scythians and even Africans have camps to protect them from too early conquests. They weren't always an exterior threat but they were hard to conquer. I'll put some camps for Persia too ensure they make it to the Parthian Age before you smash all those too expensive Immortals to bits. My goal is to make things hard (but fun) for you . Sorry about the alliances. There's nothing I can do. If you want the Punic wars never to take place, or If you want Persia and Macedon to be buddies, you go ahead and change em. But since I can't put everybody's stance to everybody except through locked alliances, I decided they have to stay. Now, jimmygeo, point: 1 Persia is not that hard to play with. Only actual threat comes from the West. True it comes hard if it's a human player, but AI probably will spread so you should reach the Parthian Cavalry long before Romans reach Imeprial Age. Then nobody would stop you. 2 They should. Samnites kicked their sorry Roman ass! Humans should feel tingles also! 3 Barbarians only prevent too hasty expansion from "border" civs. They were there in real times too! 4 Already solved the wargalley It's true, Macedonia didn't invade Persia till Alexander but Persians swept through Macedonia several times. And I told you, I really can't alter any diplomacy whatsoever except for those controversial locked alliances. In fact, if you look at it more carefully, locked alliances don't provoke any unhistorical conflicts, only prevent some (Carthage never battled Persia or Phoenicia). But if you come up with something, please let me know. I wanted to get rid of them too but I didn't find anything to replace em with.