Was Jesus a hippie?

No he wasn't. He killed fish for money. That's not a hippie thing to do.
I don't see anywhere that specifies the fish ended up dead. He said to hand over the money, not the fish. The fish could have been caught, robbed of its money, and then released. :p

But they never walk on water.
Of course they do. Every winter, when it snows and there is ice on the streets and sidewalks. :huh:

But did he ever have a crew cut?
Yep. The guy who played Jesus in the last production of Jesus Christ Superstar that I worked on had a crew cut. However, he wore a wig to cover it up. :mischief:
 
Both hippies and Jesus made a trip in India to discover mysticism and buddhism. That's where they got their obsession about peace and love. So Jesus wasn't a hippie because that doesn't mean anything, but they do share some traits.

Oh, and if you don't belive me when I say Jesus made a trip in India, could you simply tell me where he was between his childhood and his thirties? It's not written on the bible. However, the Koran says he did visit India (and they also add he's dead there, though this part seems more hypothetical).
 
The bible indicates that much of his early childhood is spent in Egypt (probably Alexandria although it is not specific). By age 12 his family was back in Galilee, and made yearly trips to the Temple in Jerusalem. He then spent his early adult life in Nazareth.


Many Muslims do believe he went to India, but that is thought to have occurred after he escaped being executed, not before he began his ministry.
 
He was supposed to have popped up in Glastonbury as well (loads of hippies there).
 
Carpenter is a bit of a mistranslation; "workman" would be better. Regardless of his roots, he had devoted himself to poverty during his ministry.
I heard from one of my teachers that carpenter is actualy a mistranslation by Jerome of 'stonemason'.
I usualy trust that teacher, but here it sounds a bit dubious. Jerome's translation was poor, but I don't think he could have done that badly.
 
I think this guy looks a little bit like Jesus:

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Hence, Jesus was not a hippie, but resurrected as one sometime a few decades ago.
 
I heard from one of my teachers that carpenter is actualy a mistranslation by Jerome of 'stonemason'.
I usualy trust that teacher, but here it sounds a bit dubious. Jerome's translation was poor, but I don't think he could have done that badly.

This has nothing to do with Jerome's translation. The Vulgate conveys the exact same sense a the original Greek. The misunderstanding was introduced later, with the translation from Latin to English.

The Latin term is faber, and the Greek term tekton, both of which literally mean person with (practical) skills. Both are very broad terms. Neither implies anything about the materials in which one specializes. Carpenter, stonemason, bricklayer, and blacksmith all all equally valid choices. In a literal sense they usually means someone who builds the physical structure of a building, but they can be extended metaphorically to those whose skills are in such areas as making poetry or music. Apparently the Aramic word mostly likely used by those who passed on the story orally before it was writren in Koine Greek is naggar, which may be translated as either Craftsman or Scholar.

It also does not say a great deal about how advanced the skills are. He could have only very base skills from working a long time in hard and demeaning labor, or he could have been a well educated engineer or architect (which is literally "master tekton"). I tend to think that Joseph being an architect is most likely, but bear in mind that the profession was much different then than now. Today architects tend to see themselves as a type of artist, but back then they mostly filled the roles now handled by General Contractors. Also, at the time they were generally expected to have personal experience in at least one skill needed for the actual building. Stonemasons and Woodworkers could both be architects, but stonemasons tended to be a little more respected and there was a lot of stone building going on during Joseph's lifetime so that seems more likely. It is quite possible that Joseph was involved in the design and/or construction of Herod's Temple, Caesarea Maritima, and/or Caesarea Philippi.
 
No he wasn't. He killed fish for money. That's not a hippie thing to do.
Actually, a lot of primitivists are okay with that, given the right social and cultural context.

Considering that Jesus didn't believe in free love (he disapproved of adultery), ate meat, and probably didn't have long hair (that wasn't fashionable 'till the Middle Ages), no.
Actually, that's been debated- it's been argued that, at various times, Jesus adhered to the Nazirite vow, which proscribes the cutting or combing of hair, meaning that Jesus would have sometimes worn long dreadlocks. For the most part, he didn't- the theory argues that his Baptism at the start of his ministry reflects the ceremony which marked the end of a period of vow-keeping, and that he later resurrected it before his crucifixion. It's also believed that he took the vow during his wanderings in the desert, so it may have been an on and off thing.
Certainly, he was pals with a few Nazarites- John the Baptist and James the Just being the most prominent- so long hair wouldn't've been an exceptional sight in his circles.
 

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Hasn't the shroud of Turin been pretty conclusivly declared a fake?
 
Hasn't the shroud of Turin been pretty conclusivly declared a fake?
Apparently not.

Science, so far, has completely failed to prove that the Shroud is authentic or fake.

The 1988 carbon dating, we now know, was a bust.
No one truly knows how the images were formed. Attempts to show how they might have been formed have been a complete failure. The best explanations remain highly speculative.

The one thing science has succeeded in doing is proving that the images were not painted, are not some form of medieval proto-photography or any other known artistic method. This does not mean, as some in the media often report, that proponents of authenticity believe the images were miraculously formed. It only means nobody knows.

Links:
Are the images painted?
What is the nature of the images?
What is the current status on the carbon dating?
Did a biological polymer throw off the carbon dating?
What is the significance of vanillin in understanding the age of the Shroud?
Is the blood on the Shroud real?
What is the second face and what does it mean?
Are there limestone particles on the cloth and what does that mean?
What is the Diffusion Hypothesis of image formation?
What was STURP?
What attempts have been made to show how the images were faked?
What is the nature of the cloth?
Is there pollen from the areas of Jerusalem, Edessa and Constantinople?

http://www.greatshroudofturinfaq.com/Science/index.html
 
Of course they do. Every winter, when it snows and there is ice on the streets and sidewalks. :huh:
No, Jesus was before the time of sidewalks.
 
However it was done the shroud of turin "face" looks like a stylized face. It doesn't look like a real person. The proportions are all wrong; mainly the face and nose are too long. If a real person looked like that they would look very strange.

And yes, Jesus was a hippie. Long hair? Check. Beard? Check. Sandals? Check. No underwear? Check. Talking about peace and love all the time? Check. Smells bad? Check. (Hygiene wasn't that great back then.) No job? Check. Signs point to Hippie.
 
However it was done the shroud of turin "face" looks like a stylized face. It doesn't look like a real person. The proportions are all wrong; mainly the face and nose are too long. If a real person looked like that they would look very strange.
Also, it doesn't look strange enough- a face is three dimensional, so to get a two-dimensional imprint would require the surface sit along the not-exactly-circumference of the head, which would produce an image that looks overly wide in two dimensions. The shroud looks like a photograph, when it should look more like a face-fingerprint.
 
This has nothing to do with Jerome's translation. The Vulgate conveys the exact same sense a the original Greek. The misunderstanding was introduced later, with the translation from Latin to English.

The Latin term is faber, and the Greek term tekton, both of which literally mean person with (practical) skills. Both are very broad terms. Neither implies anything about the materials in which one specializes. Carpenter, stonemason, bricklayer, and blacksmith all all equally valid choices. In a literal sense they usually means someone who builds the physical structure of a building, but they can be extended metaphorically to those whose skills are in such areas as making poetry or music. Apparently the Aramic word mostly likely used by those who passed on the story orally before it was writren in Koine Greek is naggar, which may be translated as either Craftsman or Scholar.

It also does not say a great deal about how advanced the skills are. He could have only very base skills from working a long time in hard and demeaning labor, or he could have been a well educated engineer or architect (which is literally "master tekton"). I tend to think that Joseph being an architect is most likely, but bear in mind that the profession was much different then than now. Today architects tend to see themselves as a type of artist, but back then they mostly filled the roles now handled by General Contractors. Also, at the time they were generally expected to have personal experience in at least one skill needed for the actual building. Stonemasons and Woodworkers could both be architects, but stonemasons tended to be a little more respected and there was a lot of stone building going on during Joseph's lifetime so that seems more likely. It is quite possible that Joseph was involved in the design and/or construction of Herod's Temple, Caesarea Maritima, and/or Caesarea Philippi.
Thanks for clarifying. I'll use this as another chance to pump a Latin 101 thread, because I don't feel like doing my Latin homework.
 
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