Welcome to the Civ4 SGOTM Forum

[Jenarie]

Hello

It looks like the last game started in Nov/Dec - I'm wondering if there is any way to predict when the next one will be coming?

Also, will all games be played in vanilla/warlords like SGOTM3 or is that something that was special for that game?

Thanks!

 

[AlanH]

This one was probably unique in having both versions on the same map. The intention was to see how the two versions play relative to one another.

We are planning the next game right now, hopefully to start this month. It will be Warlords only, and the next will be Vanilla only. This pattern will then continue, and the alternate games are intended to overlap.

 

[da_Vinci]

Looks like the SGOTMs have taken about 3 months each to complete, so four per year under the current system.

In the proposed overlapping games approach, do you envision something like 3 or 4 each of vanilla and warlords? So a team might start a warlords game in Feb and then start a vanilla game in April while still finishing the warlords game (next warlords would start in June, etc.)? A game every 2 months alternating would be 3 of each per year.

With a team potentially playing two games at once, they would still have a separate thread for each game I assume? Would have to, since when a thread can legally be viewed will be different for the two games. And I suppose team membership may differ between the two games.

dV

 

[Lexad]

First of all, the teams between warlords and vanilla could and would differ much.

 

[AlanH]

Looks like the SGOTMs have taken about 3 months each to complete, so four per year under the current system.

In the proposed overlapping games approach, do you envision something like 3 or 4 each of vanilla and warlords? So a team might start a warlords game in Feb and then start a vanilla game in April while still finishing the warlords game (next warlords would start in June, etc.)? A game every 2 months alternating would be 3 of each per year.

With a team potentially playing two games at once, they would still have a separate thread for each game I assume? Would have to, since when a thread can legally be viewed will be different for the two games. And I suppose team membership may differ between the two games.

dV

Nothing changes ...

The teams will be independently staffed for each game, as they are now, with independent threads. Some players don't have Warlords, some won't play Vanilla, some won't want to be involved in overlapping games.

Each separate team will have its own thread for a game. Players will have to restrict their posts on any one game to that game thread, and not discuss any game in progress in the wrong thread.

Frequency will probably be as fluid as it has always been.

 

[AlanH]

The sign up thread for SGOTM 4 is now open for business.

We have created a separate subforum for Warlords SGOTMs to reduce the chances of opening the wrong thread if you are playing vanilla and warlords games at the same time.

 

[Memphus]

Are SGOTM 3 & 4 going to be released?

 

[AlanH]

SGOTM 3, 4 and 5 have all been played, finished and the results were published. We are currently signing up for SGOTM 6.

See my signature for links to the Progress and Results page for the finished games, and for a link to the new Warlords game sign-up thread.

 

[Memphus]

Sorry I guess my question was confusing. Are the world builder saves going to become available for SGOTM 3 & 4 (and 5 too now that it is done)

Right now the links don't work from the download page.

 

[Trynthlas]

Where is sign-up for SGOTM6? I see the SWOTM6 signup in the other forum, but no sign-up here for vanilla

 

[leif erikson]

Where is sign-up for SGOTM6? I see the SWOTM6 signup in the other forum, but no sign-up here for vanilla

Hi,
SGOTM06 is a Warlords game, there is not a Vanilla version. You can sign up here.

 

[Trynthlas]

Sadly I don't have Warlords (just Vanilla & BtS)

 

[Ronnie1]

@Trynthlas, I just checked ebay, you can own it for about $10.00US.

 

[Trynthlas]

Coolies

I'll probably wait and see what the next SGOTM is, as the next month is fairly poor as far as time for me to play in a SG (see signature for why )

 

[AlanH]

Sorry I guess my question was confusing.

That's one way of putting it

Are the world builder saves going to become available for SGOTM 3 & 4 (and 5 too now that it is done)

Right now the links don't work from the download page.

Thanks. I've fixed them. My work on preparing for BoTMs introduced a buglet

 

[billybgame]

Hi,
SGOTM06 is a Warlords game, there is not a Vanilla version. You can sign up here.

Is this a trend here? I'm just becoming to really start to get more active with Civ 4, and have only recently discovered the GOTMs and G Minors and G Majors. Came to check out the Succession games, and see if it interested me, only to find out I can't even take part.

I've pondered BTS, recently. But, I haven't even mastered Prince in vanilla. So, I hesitate. Plus, I've read of many glitches and problems.

But, if the Succession games, etc, are going to start going to Warlords and BTS, and vanilla is going to get left behind, I guess I'm wondering if I have no choice but to jump on board.

By the way....if you have BTS, does that enable Warlorlds games, as well as BTS games? I know Warlords was included, but I'm not sure if you could do the WOTM and the new BOTM, and the regular GOTM.

If that's the case, maybe I'll drop the dime.

 

[AlanH]

I'm sure we shall continue to support vanilla at some level, if only because there are some players who have never buy the expansions for some reason. This SGOTM is Warlords because the last one was vanilla. It would probably have been Beyond the Sword, but I figured I'd rather let the monthly GOTMs debug BtS and the related HoF Mod, rather than commit a three-to-four month SGOTM to it.

But remember that Civ4 vanilla was the first version at this level. If you want the game Sid *intended* to ship, you probably need the expansions.

If you only buy the Beyond the Sword expansion, it will not install Warlords. Someone recently reported buying Civ4 + Beyond the Sword from Direct2Drive, and it costs an arm and a leg - and it doesn't include Warlords - so buyer beware!

However, there are plenty of good deals out there. Having virtually given up on ever seeing the full Mac conversions, I figured I'd better get the Windows games, so I recently bought Civ4 Complete. It includes vanilla plus both Warlords and BtS expansions, all at the latest version numbers, on a single DVD. It was well under $30 UK equivalent from play.com, delivered free in a couple of days.

I recommend starting to edit your Christmas Wish List.

 

[Ronnie1]

@billybgame, try ebay, I just saw warlords there for $10US.

 

[billybgame]

Ok guys...thanks. Maybe I'll seek those out. Not sure if I should go the Complete route, or Warlords and BTS seperately. Maybe that Complete deal sounds the best, if I can find comparable prices. As long as you can keep the games with separate installs and executables somehow. So, you can choose to play whichever one you choose? Although, I hope that wouldn't get too confusing, going from version to version.

Edit: Weird....is Complete only available retail in foreign countries, or something? Ebay resulted in nothing but foreign seller results.

Edit 2: Checked out Play.com.....36.34 in dollars. Not too good a deal, especially when I already have vanilla. And, I'm not sure they ship to US for free. Perhaps the separate expansions are the way to go.

 

[AlanH]

Complete installs the three games in exactly the same way as if you bought them separately. They are playable as three separate executables, with three separate desktop shortcuts. There's only one DVD, and when you insert it the Autoplay screen starts up BtS if you tell it to Play, but you can just cancel the DVD Autoplay and double click on of the desktop icons to start up the version you want.