What car are you driving, again?

[Masquerouge]

I can't make VRCWAgent's claim to needing my SUV for snow driving. My claim is solely based on safety. Does it make sense to want a safe vehicle? How about a vehicle that is both safe and versatile (and comfortable too!)? Does this sound much like a vehicle for people without sense, or does it describe a vehicle for people with lots of sense?

The only issue I have with the safety argument is that the logical conclusion is to build bigger and bigger cars, since safety is tied to your car being bigger than others - and if safety is not tied to your car being bigger, then why buy an SUV?

 

[aaglo]

Lets start first with aaglo's witty claim about a tiny sex organ. I live in Vegas and as part of my work come in contact many celebrities, professional athletes, famous entertainers, and captains of industry. These people are wealthy enough to afford dozens of any type of vehicle they want, but the most common form of personal transportation they choose is large SUV's, particularly upgraded Escalades and Navigators. Do all these people all have "tiny sex organs"? What about all the females that choose SUV's as their transportation? What about all the people that hire limousine services? Limos are by far the largest cars on the road, even bigger than SUVs. Do the people who prefer that form of transportation also suffer from tiny organs?

Why exactly would you state that? Do you really claim a relationship between vehicle size and sexual organ size? If so, could you please share with us why? Be sure to include why women drive SUV's too. Penis envy maybe? Looking forward to hearing your fact-based explanation for your claim.

For the record I'm 6'1" and all my appendages are in proportion. I purchased my SUV long after I already had both a wife and kids. I'd love to hear an explanation of how my organ size factored into my vehicle purchase decision process. It's always good for a laugh when other people tell me how I think.

Yes, lets

I think you don't know that it's just a figure of speech. These people (who buy big SUV's altough they live in a city) tend to be insecure about something in their lives and try to boost it with a big truck. There's not much point in a big truck in a city - you just buy it for the neighbours sake.

 

[Abaddon]

An as for me... SUV's are poor fuel economy, and perhaps less than in America, but within the UK are uniformly more expencive to buy than a family estate.

My main complaint is school run mums, these massive 4x4's clogging up the roads, parknig on double yellows all to get their "precious" unharmed to school.

The arguement wanting a big so safe in a crash is flawed- small cars now can be VERY safe.. i believe most 5* rated cars are the smaller cars rather than hunking great SUV's

Also they are more dangerous to passengers
also parts cost more - bigger tyres in the most simple example
bigger engines needed to shift a bigger car- simple.
blah blah blah.. the fact anyone still argues in SUV's who isnt a farmer is beyond me.

An before you throw me off saying i dont know that environment- my uncle IS a farmer, hell i may even yet live to inherit the farm.. there a 4x4 is needed to get through the fields.

Ive lived in towns and citys... yet i dont see any use for a 4x4 that a "better" car cant do.

 

[Abaddon]

Sah, and as for the sex organ quote.. why do you attack it from a stupid angle?

Of course it isnt a science that SUV=TSO
females generally drive them for the feeling of increased safty
males generally drive them for the grandure aswell- why do they need that feeling? TSO.. its a joke comment, but probably shared by the majority.

 

[Stevenpfo]

I used to drive a '91 Ford Escort until someone drove infront of my wife. Now I drive a 2005 Matrix. I'm pretty happy with it so far.



Click on the picture for more info on it if ya care enough.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

The only issue I have with the safety argument is that the logical conclusion is to build bigger and bigger cars, since safety is tied to your car being bigger than others - and if safety is not tied to your car being bigger, then why buy an SUV?

Fair enough, but safety is the issue. It's a big enough issue to stand alone without even bringing up how comfortable and useful having all that cargo/people capacity can sometimes be. As long as there are still people dumb enough (IMHO) to endanger their health, let alone their very lives, by voluntarily driving non-crash resistant tiny cars (and I don't see human stupidity ending anytime soon) I will continue to drive the largest and safest practical transportation I realistically can.

The 'size war car race' spiral has a practical limit. My SUV must fit into my garage and into a standard parking space.

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Yes, lets

I think you don't know that it's just a figure of speech. These people (who buy big SUV's altough they live in a city) tend to be insecure about something in their lives and try to boost it with a big truck. There's not much point in a big truck in a city - you just buy it for the neighbours sake.

So, do you really believe your statement or were you just posting a 'figure of speech' you didn't really believe was the truth?

There are of course insecure people in the world, and they take many actions to cover their insecurities. To go from that statement to SUV drivers have tiny sex organs is where your logic falls apart. Or prove me wrong and provide a detailed rebuttal if you like.

There are many uses for an SUV in the city. I have carried both business associates and clients in comfort in my Escalade. I have carried cargo that otherwise would have been too large for a standard car. And for a snow ski trip with a bunch of friends or towing a water ski boat or horse trailer (my daughter) it is absolutely unequalled in practicality and comfort.

Since my post I've remembered an interesting group we can use to test your statement. Come to Vegas next January for the Adult Video News porn awards and see how many of the stars show up in SUVs. Then tell me they are driven by people with small gear.

Who exactly to look up to in the world? Who do you use as a model of success? Who do you see on the news and admire? Chances are they travel by SUV or limo.

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An as for me... SUV's are poor fuel economy, and perhaps less than in America, but within the UK are uniformly more expencive to buy than a family estate.

Yes, they are expensive to fuel. But how much is your and your family's health or very life worth to you? Standing at your child's grave would be too late to see you didn't provide them with a safe enough vehicle.

My main complaint is school run mums, these massive 4x4's clogging up the roads, parknig on double yellows all to get their "precious" unharmed to school.

When you have kids of your own someday you'll see how "precious" they really are and hopefully you'll understand.

And yes, I am bugged by idiots that can't park between the lines too, but that is a lack of driving skills and of course not the vehicles fault.

The arguement wanting a big so safe in a crash is flawed- small cars now can be VERY safe.. i believe most 5* rated cars are the smaller cars rather than hunking great SUV's

Also they are more dangerous to passengers
also parts cost more - bigger tyres in the most simple example
bigger engines needed to shift a bigger car- simple.
blah blah blah.. the fact anyone still argues in SUV's who isnt a farmer is beyond me.

This was mentioned in the other thread too. Any safety technology that can be applied to small cars is also appled to larger ones too, and in the end the bigger one is still safer.

Good use of the word "hunking". When I wreck I prefer to be in a "hunking" vehicle.

As for collisions, it's what we in the Navy used to call 'The law of gross tonnage', mainly that a heavier object will bounce a lighter object out of its path, usually to the detriment of the lighter object and its occupants.

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Evidence in support:

1) More mass as mentioned in previous posts.

2) More actual space for additional steel and crumple zones. Imagine how far a Chevy Suburban type vehicle would have to crumpled in a rear-end collision in order for the damage to impact the second seat row passengers. Now compare that to a small economy hatchback. The full-size SUV literally has 5-6 feet of space between the seats and the rear bumper for example. The same applies to other outer dimensions as well, only to a lesser extent.

Digging up data was difficult due to the large volume available, but here are some referenced quotes all from different sources. I tried to find data that factored out variables such as driver age, speed, etc. and focused on occupant injury issues, but did include a table of raw statistics. If you can provide any data that smaller mass = improved occupant survivability I would like to see it.

a) "The effect of vehicle weight or mass on safety seems self-evident. As has been shown in a large number of studies, all else being equal, vehicle occupants in a crash are better off in a heavier than in a lighter vehicle."

b) "Larger, heavier vehicles generally afford more protection than smaller, lighter ones."

c) "The extra weight of the heavier vehicle reduces the risks for its occupants but also inflicts extra risks on the people in the lighter vehicle."

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1I4AFh5zC4YJ:www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr3903.pdf Driver deaths per billion miles by vehicle size 1996-99 models during 1996-2000:
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An before you throw me off saying i dont know that environment- my uncle IS a farmer, hell i may even yet live to inherit the farm.. there a 4x4 is needed to get through the fields.

I grew up on a farm too, we agree. We would borrow the neighbor's Cat with tank tracks to pull the stuck 4x4s from the mud.

Ive lived in towns and citys... yet i dont see any use for a 4x4 that a "better" car cant do.

See above.

Sah, and as for the sex organ quote.. why do you attack it from a stupid angle?

Of course it isnt a science that SUV=TSO
females generally drive them for the feeling of increased safty
males generally drive them for the grandure aswell- why do they need that feeling? TSO.. its a joke comment, but probably shared by the majority.

That's it. I'm selling the SUV and buying those enlargement pills I keep getting all the emails about...

 

[Stolen Rutters]

2005 Ford Escape... most useful vehicle I have ever bought. Hauls the same cargo as my old Ranger truck, but with enough seats for my friends on a road trip up North. The wait list for the Hybrid was too long.

 

[Ansar]

Toyota Camry. Gold color.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

I just got my first car at the end of August.

It's a 2001 Chevy Impala. I guess you'd call it brown, but it's a really nice brown...dunno, hard to explain.

 

[amadeus]

2000 Chevrolet Imapla



Not mine, but the picture is almost identical.

 

[aaglo]

So, do you really believe your statement or were you just posting a 'figure of speech' you didn't really believe was the truth?

There are of course insecure people in the world, and they take many actions to cover their insecurities. To go from that statement to SUV drivers have tiny sex organs is where your logic falls apart. Or prove me wrong and provide a detailed rebuttal if you like.

You still seem to take the comment of small organs too literally - just read between the lines, the idea of that comment is there. It's not about the size of the organ, it's about the insecurity about something in self - the organ was there just to give a comic example. And you took it literally, which makes me go

There are many uses for an SUV in the city. I have carried both business associates and clients in comfort in my Escalade. I have carried cargo that otherwise would have been too large for a standard car. And for a snow ski trip with a bunch of friends or towing a water ski boat or horse trailer (my daughter) it is absolutely unequalled in practicality and comfort.

Since my post I've remembered an interesting group we can use to test your statement. Come to Vegas next January for the Adult Video News porn awards and see how many of the stars show up in SUVs. Then tell me they are driven by people with small gear.

Is that an invitation ?
No, I bet they don't have even medium equipment. But they could be driving SUV's only because they've seen some bigshots driving those, and they just want to boost their ego, since behind the facade of a star there might be only an inflating ego which is scared of being just an average person.

Who exactly to look up to in the world? Who do you use as a model of success? Who do you see on the news and admire? Chances are they travel by SUV or limo.

If the person whom I look up to happens to travel by SUV or a limo, I'll just have to forgive it to him/her - we're only human, and to err is human.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

You still seem to take the comment of small organs too literally - just read between the lines, the idea of that comment is there. It's not about the size of the organ, it's about the insecurity about something in self - the organ was there just to give a comic example. And you took it literally, which makes me go

Really, I do understand it's only a metaphor. I was just pointing out that it's an old and tired one as SUVs have become commonplace, even amongst women.

People with insecurities drive many types of cars. How about the stereotype bright red Porsche convertible? How about the rice burner with the loud coffee-can muffler? How about the hopping low rider? These cars scream "look at me! look at me!". Don't they better represent people with low self-esteem that require other people's attention and approval in order to feel OK about themselves? People who are already fine with who they are don't demand attention and tend to drive normal, practical, safe, comfortable vehicles...like SUVs.

Is that an invitation ?

You know I'd love to invite you to come hang out here during pornstar week, but I could only offer as transportation my SUV or one of our company limos. As I can clearly see you are a man of your convictions and would never compromise your principals to ride in such a vehicle, I sadly would be unable to be a worthy host for someone of your high moral standards.

No, I bet they don't have even medium equipment. But they could be driving SUV's only because they've seen some bigshots driving those, and they just want to boost their ego, since behind the facade of a star there might be only an inflating ego which is scared of being just an average person.

Real male pornstars only have one size package, the OMFG.

Is there any chance they could also be driving SUVs for the same reason I do, because it's a safe and comfortable way to travel?

If the person whom I look up to happens to travel by SUV or a limo, I'll just have to forgive it to him/her - we're only human, and to err is human.

I agree, to err is human. Thus, I forgive your posting such a silly statement as you did.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

one of our company limos

Saw this picture last night and I remembered this thread.



Has this or something simular ever happened to you or your company?

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Saw this picture last night and I remembered this thread.



Has this or something simular ever happened to you or your company?

I'm not getting the image to show on my screen and when I cut and paste the address it gives a 403 error.

Here is the image as an attachment.



We have had lots of minor accidents and a couple large ones. Limos are really easy to high center and have a larger turning radius than most trucks. Driving one actually requires quite a bit of skill.

The worst was when we got a call from the local cops that our driver was in jail for a fist-fight with the clients, one of whom was in the hospital, and would we like to know the number to call to pay to get our car out of police impound the next day.

 

[bhsup]

Call me crazy, but I just traded in my 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4x4 with 106,500 miles on a 2007 Ford Taurus SEL with 10,364 miles.

MPG: Jeep: 14 city/18 highway Taurus: 20 city/27 highway
Tow capacity: Jeep: 6,500 lbs. Taurus: 1,750 lbs.
Chances of getting stuck this winter: Jeep: 2% Taurus: 25-50%



EDIT: Yes, it really is a 2007 Taurus. A lot of auto sites (MSN Autos, Cars.com, etc) don't even list that as being a possibility, but it really is. Observe...

 

[skadistic]

Good trade. You gain reliability, mileage and the last modle of the best selling car. You lost the sexy though.

 

[Disgustipated]

1905 Toyota Corolla. SE. cheap economical car. Great for city driving. I also use it for work to get to and from locations. I used to have a 2006 Mustang GT, but found I drove that too fast and got too many tickets.

 

[Rheinmetall]

-89 Toyota Corolla SE 1.6 16V

I still have the Fiat 127 in garage waiting for the summer.

 

[bhsup]

Okay, would you all drive this around? My brother and sister-in-law got me the horns as thanks for watching my nephews for a few days. I'm thinking "Taurus" >>> "Bull", so what better for the front end but a pair of bull horns, eh? Can't decide if I should really have it mounted on my car or not...

 

[MobBoss]

Call me crazy, but I just traded in my 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4x4 with 106,500 miles on a 2007 Ford Taurus SEL with 10,364 miles.

MPG: Jeep: 14 city/18 highway Taurus: 20 city/27 highway
Tow capacity: Jeep: 6,500 lbs. Taurus: 1,750 lbs.
Chances of getting stuck this winter: Jeep: 2% Taurus: 25-50%



EDIT: Yes, it really is a 2007 Taurus. A lot of auto sites (MSN Autos, Cars.com, etc) don't even list that as being a possibility, but it really is. Observe...

Welcome to the club. My wife and I did the very same thing earlier this year. We traded in our Mini-van for A silver Ford Taurus SEL as well. Great vehicle. The thing that sold us on it was how it drives.....it was a far smoother ride than anything else in that price range.