What do physics geeks think of Gravitons?

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The idea that gravitation is caused by really small particles released by matter itself, which fold space time in order to attract things towards it?

I'm not sure what to think on the existance of this hypothetical particle
 
Even if they exist they're practically undetectable. Finding it would require precision far beyond anything we have today because the interactions would be so weak compared to electromagnetic effects.

It's an interesting and reasonable idea, but not one that will be resolved easily.
 
I thought there was a proposal to put 3 satellites in a precise solar orbit, and would be able to to detect "gravity waves." I don't know if it has any real backing, but thats what I read in SciAm once.
 
All other forces have force carrier particles so its a reasonable hypothesis that gravity does too. We just dont have a testable theory of quantum gravity yet.
 
Aren't gravitons supposed to be particles that move faster than light (a.k.a instantly)?

No that would be tachyons, and they are hypothetical particles much like the Higgs and Graviton ATM.

Just to be clear, electrons/photons-electro magnetism.

Graviton~photon
Higg's Boson~Electron
 
Even if they exist they're practically undetectable. Finding it would require precision far beyond anything we have today because the interactions would be so weak compared to electromagnetic effects.

It's an interesting and reasonable idea, but not one that will be resolved easily.

my cousin from guam swears he saw one once dude he's like an archer and he's got a hella good eye.

on topic: so what exactly are these things? particles that constitute gravity?
 
what exactly could we do if we knew more about these?

and could we use them?
 
my cousin from guam swears he saw one once dude he's like an archer and he's got a hella good eye.

on topic: so what exactly are these things? particles that constitute gravity?

Well think of electro magnetism, we see colours because photons of particular wave lengths are absorbed and re-emitted from certain materials according to there atomic structure.

In other words the mediating particle for the force of electro magnetism is the photon.

There are four forces

EM, weak, strong, gravity

EM
Electron
photon

Light,magnetism, radio waves etc.

Weak
Neutrons/protons
W and Z bosons

Radioactive beta minus and positive decay, or beta radiation

Strong
quarks
gluons

The force required to seperate a proton for example into it's discrete quarks is so large it has never been done, although high energy colisions come close. The high energy reactions can spontaneously produce short lived quarks.

Gravity
Higg's Boson(theoretical/hypothetical)
Graviton(theoretical/hypothetical)

You sitting on a chair without floating upwards and other things obviously:)

what exactly could we do if we knew more about these?

and could we use them?

We would be one step closer to unifying all the forces, or a theory of everything as Einstein put it.

So far Electricity and Magnetism and weak have been unified. Weak quite recently, the two professors won the Nobel prize for it.

Theory states that the forces at certain energy levels become equivalent thus at the start of the universe, they became discrete as the energy levels fractions of a second after the big bang began to fall.

There is some speculation and it is just that, that electrons could be converted to gravitons and thus you could use it as a means of propulsion, but this is pretty fringe science. Google Heim theory if your interested.
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "mediating particle", but EM interacts with all charged particles, most pertinently protons - if it didn't, we wouldn't have chemistry.

Weak interacts with leptons too. Otherwise we, among other things, wouldn't have electron capture.
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "mediating particle", but EM interacts with all charged particles, most pertinently protons - if it didn't, we wouldn't have chemistry.

Weak interacts with leptons too. Otherwise we, among other things, wouldn't have electron capture.

mediate (mē'dē-āt') Pronunciation Key
To effect or convey a force between subatomic particles. The gauge bosons, for example, mediate the four fundamental forces of nature.


I think your misunderstanding the term. In common parlance mediating particle for force means the particle that interacts and not some it can only interact with x. Gravity interacts with pretty much everything so this would be stupid.

The weak interaction affects all left-handed leptons and quarks. It is the only force affecting neutrinos (except for gravitation, which is negligible on laboratory scales). The weak interaction is unique in a number of respects:

1. It is the only interaction capable of changing flavour.
2. It is the only interaction which violates parity symmetry P (because it only acts on left-handed particles). It is also the only one which violates CP.
3. It is mediated by heavy gauge bosons. This unusual feature is explained in the Standard Model by the Higgs mechanism.

Due to the large mass of the weak interaction's carrier particles (about 90 GeV/c2), their mean life is limited to about 3×10^−25 seconds by the uncertainty principle. Even at the speed of light this effectively limits the range of the weak interaction to 10^−18 meters, about 1000 times smaller than the diameter of an atomic nucleus.
Neutron decay

Since the weak interaction is both very weak and very short range, its most noticeable effect is due to its other unique feature: flavour changing. Consider a neutron (quark content udd; one up quark, two down quarks). Although the neutron is heavier than its sister nucleon, the proton (quark content uud), it cannot decay into a proton without changing the flavour of one of its down quarks. Neither the strong interaction nor electromagnetism allow flavour changing, so this must proceed by weak decay. In this process, a down quark in the neutron changes into an up quark by emitting a W boson, which then breaks up into a high-energy electron and an electron antineutrino. Since high-energy electrons are beta radiation, this is called a beta decay.

Due to the weakness of the weak interaction, weak decays are much slower than strong or electromagnetic decays. For example, an electromagnetically decaying neutral pion has a life of about 10^−16 seconds; a weakly decaying charged pion lives about 10^−8 seconds, a hundred million times longer. A free neutron lives about 15 minutes, making it the unstable subatomic particle with the longest known mean life.
 
mediate (mē'dē-āt') Pronunciation Key
To effect or convey a force between subatomic particles. The gauge bosons, for example, mediate the four fundamental forces of nature.


I think your misunderstanding the term. In common parlance mediating particle for force means the particle that interacts and not some it can only interact with x. Gravity interacts with pretty much everything so this would be stupid.
You're not understanding TLC's criticism

EM
Electron
photon
Why didn't you include the proton? (or to be more specific, quarks and charged leptons)
 
EDIT: Ah that explains it sorry yes, it was a brain fart typo, I realised when I reread it that I should of put photon.
 
When I typed my post, Sidhe's previous one said that the mediating particle of EM was the electron.
Well that goes against every Feynman diagram I've seen...

So you think by not including it I was saying it had no part in interactions, if I included all the particles Gravity interacts with do you not think it might be a long list. I thought it would be understood, obviously I erred, I was trying to explain it to a laymen do you think writing out millions of particles is really going to help?
Frankly, I'm baffled why you decided to list random particles anyways.
 
Well that goes against every Feynman diagram I've seen...

Frankly, I'm baffled why you decided to list random particles anyways.

Oh dear, never mind Perfection.

Maybe I should of listed every particle gravity interacts with, that would of made it easy to understand, sheezus, pedants corner or what!

Perfection do you really think my understanding is so lacking that I don't know what EM is? And do you really think I was trying to mislead here, the fact is I was trying to show the equivalence to other particles, force carrier and one of its co conspirators, I really didn't expect to have to write out pages of interactions in order to explain something that is really quite simple. But obviously my mistake , next time I'll write a thesis on the subject so technical that only those with a PhD will be even remotely able to deciphre it :rolleyes:

Gravity.
Graviton
Electrons
photons
Neutrinos
quarks
bananaons
pions
kaons
top quark
bottom quark
up quark
down quark
Charm quark
Strange quark
Guage Bosons?
Dark matter
pentaquarks
slipons
Higgs Boson

Frankly next time I wont bother, it's easier than dealing with colossal pedants.
 
Oh dear, never mind perfection.

Maybe I should of listed every particle gravity interacts with, that would of made it easy to understand, sheezus, pedants corner or what!
Maybe you shouldn't have randomly listed particles in the first place.

And even if you had a list you coulda just said "pretty much everything" for what gravity interacts with.
 
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