What do you think about Poland?

[Domen]

The Czech humor is so "superior" that supposedly only few "understand" it / laugh.

From the Polish dictionary of idiomatic expressions:

Czeski film (a Czech movie) - humorous term used to describe a situation in which nobody knows what's the matter / what's the point.

 

[Perfection]

Why are there so damn many Poles on CFC?

 

[Domen]

3 is many? Why? - well, it's good to improve your English and troll around at the same time. Also - I played in Civ so I'm here.

Plus another thing is that we're very civilized people so we post on civilization forums.

And why there are so bloody many Brits on CFC?

PS:

Wow - 45 thousands posts...

Why do Brits have so bloody many posts on CFC?

 

[Winner]

The Czechs should invade Klodzko county. I'm tired of looking a map and seeing a tiny chunk of Poland into þe Czech Republic.

I agree, but why stop there?

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Czechs actually did that, immediately after ww2. But they were beaten back.

No, the region has not been "invaded", al least if you want to be honest about the meaning of that word.

Following WW2, most of the Germans from that region fled, leaving the Czech minority which had lived there for centuries asking to be reunited with their mother country. The Polish government wanted to treat them as Germans and expel them from their homes as well. Also, Poland started settling the region with loyal Poles in order to alter the ethnic composition in its favour, although it had zero right to claim the region.

Of course, the Czechs have given up in the face of naked expansionism, as usual

The Czech humor is so "superior" that supposedly only few "understand" it / laugh.

I said culture and language, and of course, if you don't understand our high culture and rich language, you can't hope to understand our refined sense of humour

Czeski film (a Czech movie) - humorous term used to describe a situation in which nobody knows what's the matter / what's the point.

(No, it's just the Poles who don't understand...)

 

[Domen]

We can understand your language.

But we laugh from it because some words sound exactly like some Polish words but have completely different meaning.

I agree, but why stop there?

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Because:

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Following WW2, most of the Germans from that region fled

Were expelled by Czechs who murdered innocent Volksdeutsche in thousands in the ancient German Sudetenland & other parts of Bohemia.

leaving the Czech minority which had lived there for centuries asking to be reunited with their mother country. The Polish government wanted to treat them as Germans and expel them from their homes as well. Also, Poland started settling the region with loyal Poles in order to alter the ethnic composition in its favour, although it had zero right to claim the region.

Of course, the Czechs have given up in the face of naked expansionism, as usual

Usual Czech Nationalist BS.

Of course, the Czechs have given up in the face of naked expansionism, as usual

Czechs had quite a lot of naked expansionism on their part in their history.

Even though it was usually "puppet expansionism" of Germany (HRE), it was still naked expansionism.

One example of this naked expansionism is on that map which you posted.

 

[Boundless]

Wow - 45 thousands posts...

Why do Brits have so bloody many posts on CFC?

Perfection isn't British.

 

[Domen]

So he has false location in his profile info.

BTW, Winner:

The Czechs should invade Klodzko county. I'm tired of looking a map and seeing a tiny chunk of Poland into þe Czech Republic.

I agree, but why stop there?

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You should change the flag in your avatar from EU flag to this:

 

[Veles]

I agree, but why stop there?

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Now, if you're up to some conquest (finally), at least do it rite this time, i.e. go westwards.

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[Veles]

Boundless, you appear to be a foine lass, now that you finally posted in political or ethnographic "serious" thread, albeit a troll one.

 

[Domen]

Now, if you're up to some conquest (finally), at least do it rite this time, i.e. go westwards.

True. Poland already did it right in 1945, finally. Who needs the deserted steppes of the Kresy.

BTW, Winner:

Also, Poland started settling the region with loyal Poles

"Loyal Poles" must be an oxymoron?

 

[Veles]

From this point of view, DDR was just one big retribution for Jerries' eastward expansion ever since VIII century A.D. It was an epic win (for Poland especially), too bad Gorby had to feck it all up.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Like:
Their history.
Their attitutes to learning. Poles, like many of their neighbours, respect education and learning. I wish Westerners had the same attitute, though certain groups like American Jews have inherited this traditional respect.
Their women. Beautiful women ... though all women are beautiful I suppose.

Dislike:
Nationalism. No-one cares if a kingdom calling itself Poland (usually indeed it's Lithuania!) owned some Ukrainian or Lithuanian village. It doesn't impress anyone, and gives you no right to claim it.
Anti-Lithuanianism. The depth of contempt and dislike for Lithuanians in Poland is not something I can claim to like. A "people without culture" seems to be the attitute. A bit ungrateful for the country that turned it into a great power.

 

[Domen]

Anti-Lithuanianism. The depth of contempt and dislike for Lithuanians in Poland is not something I can claim to like. A "people without culture" seems to be the attitute.

No, why do you think so? Honestly Lithuanians hate Poles (for the seizure of Vilnius by Poland in 1920s) - but not inversely.

And did you hear about the way how Lithuanian government treats Polish minority in Lithuania nowadays?

Despite the fact that we are both in EU, Polish minority in Lithuania is discriminated.

A bit ungrateful for the country that turned it into a great power.

Lithuania turned Poland into great power? Not really.

Lithuania had just the territory. Poland had the resources and the manpower and the money.

These combined formed a power, but not so great.

By the time of both unions - the personal from 1386 and the real from 1569 - Poland was a stronger country than Lithuania. Poland had much more population than Lithuania was better developed and had stronger economy. The only thing Lithuania had more of was territory.

The Union of Lublin in 1569 was signed because Lithuania could not resist against expansion of Moscow and needed Polish help. Even Lithuanians admit this (although they claim that Lithuania "was forced" to sign this union because of Moscow - while in fact it willingly wanted to do it).

Honestly Lithuania benefited much more from the Union of Poland than Poland did. Some Polish historians even write that the Union of Lublin from 1569 actually did more harm to Poland than good - and I agree with them.

If you know the history of both countries on a deeper level you would know this.

It was Lithuania who had real problems with Teutonic Order and it was Lithuania who had real problems with Moscow.

 

[Pangur Bán]

No, why do you think so? Honestly Lithuanians hate Poles (for the seizure of Vilnius by Poland in 1920s) - but not inversely.

And did you hear about the way how Lithuanian government treats Polish minority in Lithuania nowadays?

Despite the fact that we are both in EU, Polish minority in Lithuania is discriminated.

Most nations have disputes and ongoing conflicts with their neighbours, what gets me about this one is the contemptful and demeaning attitutes to that country and its culture. Last One's post above illustrates my point.

Lithuania had just the territory. Poland had the resources and the manpower and the money.

These combined formed a power, but not so great.

By the time of both unions - the personal from 1386 and the real from 1569 - Poland was a stronger country than Lithuania.

It was Lithuania who had real problems with Teutonic Order and it was Lithuania who had real problems with Moscow.

You kid yourself with this stuff if you like. We can talk anachronistically about "nations", but Grunwald was a victory for the chief kin-groups of the Lithuanians, of which Poland was but one of their latest (though probably most important) acquired Slavic territories. Lithuania had both the manpower, military expertise and the territory (that's why it had the latter). Poland had a better quality of land, better state-structures and stronger links with Western Europe, and what served it in the end was that its cultural-poilitical system was more appealing for a monarch wanting an easy life. Basically what happened was the Lithuanian Jogaila and his descendents preferred the security and comforts of the latter more than the risk and demanding political culture of the former.

 

[aelf]

What do you think about Poland? Or, Poles being butthurt about their national identity.

 

[Winner]

We can understand your language.

But we laugh from it because some words sound exactly like some Polish words but have completely different meaning.

Believe me, we laugh more

Because:

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Footnote: only true for 1003

Were expelled by Czechs who murdered innocent Volksdeutsche in thousands in the ancient German Sudetenland & other parts of Bohemia.

No, that region was under Polish/Soviet occupation - can't blame us for that, sorry.

Usual Czech Nationalist BS.

Actually, most Czechs don't even know what Kladsko is, I am just having fun here - the surest way to keep the Poles talking is getting them started on some fictional past injustice

 

[Winner]

Now, if you're up to some conquest (finally), at least do it rite this time, i.e. go westwards.

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Southwards, rather, if we base it on at least some historical claims:

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[Veles]

Not bad either. So you didn't inherit the claim to Polabian lands? Okay, Russia could fill this vacuum, if no other contender exist. Poles, maybe?

 

[Winner]

Not bad either. So you didn't inherit the claim to Polabian lands? Okay, Russia could fill this vacuum, if no other contender exist. Poles, maybe?

Seriously now, this map shows today's borders of the Czech Republic compared to the borders of the Czech state in the first half of the 11th century. As you can see, they didn't move much, and nobody wants to change anything about it.

I wouldn't object if we re-united with Slovakia, but other than that, meh. In the European federation that will come one day, national borders won't matter much anyway

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[TheLastOne36]

Most nations have disputes and ongoing conflicts with their neighbours, what gets me about this one is the contemptful and demeaning attitutes to that country and its culture. Last One's post above illustrates my point.

Speaking of.. 15m? Did I really say that? I should really start proof-reading my posts, I don't think our population was more than 5m that the time? I think only France and maybe HRE as a whole had that kind of population back then.

Also, for the rest of your post, you have anything to back it up? As far as I know, the battle of Grunwald was fought by the banners of many Polish nobles outnumbering the Lithuanian banners atleast twice, not even mentioning the manpower.