What do you think of the Leaders?

[Baudshaw]

Franklin - A
Tubman - A

My only complaint is that America should not have two leaders upon release. You are NOT that historically important.

But IF the Americans were to have two leaders, and both of them leaders of a civil movement rather than presidents, I can't think of two better choices than Franklin and Tubman.

Except for MLK… but I think that opportunity is gone now. Even with DLCs, two American leaders is quite a lot.

Even still, I like these leaders, and I’m curious about Harriet Tubman’s bonuses

 

[Bast]

Surely we need to have Karl Marx as a leader

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Strongly agree that America's about on the bottom of the list of civs needing two leaders. I would have preferred to see Tubman instead of Franklin, especially after he inherited my most hated Hidden Agenda as his anations.

Funnily enough, if you also have a different ideology, he can super-hate you.

 

[Isengardtom]

Murshilish I or Suppiluliuma leading the Hittites

 

[Lord Lakely]

Assyria, Egypt, and not-Achaemenid Persia for me. (Surprisingly not Phoenicia...though I wouldn't say no to Dido and Hannibal or Hannibal with General and Shophet personae.)

Egypt?! I was not aware you were pining for the return of the Ptolemaic dynastic to Civ7. So much for mr "Civ6 was too Hellenocentric"

A Mughal leader (Akbar, Nur Jahan) would be an elegant solution for both Persia and India. Tamerlane would be an interesting solution for a Persia and India adjacent leader that isn't directly tied to either (and that would also resolve the currently empty Mongol leader slot)

 

[Lord Lakely]

Funnily enough, if you also have a different ideology, he can super-hate you.

Benjamin Franklin, notable for his blind HATRED of Mexican Revolutionaries.

 

[Xandinho]

India, China and France top my list, in that order. So I'm fairly pleased that France already has two leaders in Napoleon and Charlemagne.

a second Chinese or Indian leader would be welcome around the first expansion pack (as long as we dodge Gandhi again )

China is my top1 priority for alternative leader at the moment, mainly because I'm not particularly fond of the inclusion of Confucius.

But I agree with the point, before a second American leader, I'd have much preferred to see someone from Hawaii, Ethiopia, Mesoamerica, Mesopotamia, Southeast Asia...

However, I like the inclusion of Tubman. It's a new and interesting flavor.

 

[Zaarin]

Egypt?! I was not aware you were pining for the return of the Ptolemaic dynastic to Civ7. So much for mr "Civ6 was too Hellenocentric"

Nonsense. I want Akhenaten.

China is my top1 priority for alternative leader at the moment, mainly because I'm not particularly fond of the inclusion of Confucius.

I do hope we get an emperor at some point. Confucius feels like treading a ways into stereotype territory.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Nonsense. I want Akhenaten.

Ah, one of those choices. I understand. Henry VIII and Livia Augusta are mine.

I do hope we get an emperor at some point. Confucius feels like treading a ways into stereotype territory.

Kong is in my bottom 3 leader choices and I can't really pinpoint why. It's so... uninspired? I understand we needed a religious sage, and Kong is probably the best, most impactul choice amongst the realistic options (Jesus Christ and the Prophet Muhammad are both off-limits, for obvious reasons), but blergh. Give us a Tang emperor to compensate please.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Benjamin Franklin, notable for his blind HATRED of Mexican Revolutionaries.

If he plays as Mexico, he hates Everyone Else.

 

[Lord Lakely]

If he plays as Mexico, he hates Everyone Else.

HATRED is his revolution.

Honestly, it's a really funny. Benjamin Franklin, esteemed diplomat, polymath and inventor, hates everyone who disagrees even a little with his world view.

He's the Twitter of Civilization.

 

[SeelingCat]

Also, because you can't change governments within an era, you're locked into his diplo state for an entire age essentially with not much room to play around it.

 

[Disgustipated]

Surely we need to have Karl Marx as a leader

I came here to say that. With ideologies in, I expect to see something like this. Unlikely we'll get Stalin.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

HATRED is his revolution.

Honestly, it's a really funny. Benjamin Franklin, esteemed diplomat, polymath and inventor, hates everyone who disagrees even a little with his world view.

He's the Twitter of Civilization.

Frankly, it sounds like the in-game Franklin is channeling the IRL Voltaire. For all his "I will defend to the death your right to say it" quote, if you said anything he didn't agree with, he would turn on you like a rabid polecat.

 

[Zaarin]

Frankly, it sounds like the in-game Franklin is channeling the IRL Voltaire. For all his "I will defend to the death your right to say it" quote, if you said anything he didn't agree with, he would turn on you like a rabid polecat.

This gave me a sudden urge to see Dante Alighieri as a leader. "Oh, you disagree with me? Well, guess what? I wrote a book about how you're burning in Hell! Even if you are the pope. And my girlfriend may or may not be the Virgin Mary or Sophia or something. What do you mean I'm excommunicated?!"

 

[Lukas1990]

In my opinion, Songhai should have its own leader.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

This gave me a sudden urge to see Dante Alighieri as a leader. "Oh, you disagree with me? Well, guess what? I wrote a book about how you're burning in Hell! Even if you are the pope. And my girlfriend may or may not be the Virgin Mary or Sophia or something. What do you mean I'm excommunicated?!"

Ah, but in the cases of both Dante and Voltaire, if you do it with enough literary style, you can almost get away with anything . . .

 

[Zaarin]

In my opinion, Songhai should have its own leader.

It does: Amina. She's clearly meant to be associated with Songhai (albeit obliquely), and she's been set up to be the second biggest warmonger in the game after Ben Franklin.

Ah, but in the cases of both Dante and Voltaire, if you do it with enough literary style, you can almost get away with anything . . .

Granted for Voltaire; The Inferno read like a glossy gossip magazine to me, just in verse. (Granted, I read both in translation so maybe Dante's translator did him a disservice. I know that's the case for my early encounters with Tolstoy.)

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

It does: Amina. She's clearly meant to be associated with Songhai (albeit obliquely), and she's been set up to be the second biggest warmonger in the game after Ben Franklin.


Granted for Voltaire; The Inferno read like a glossy gossip magazine to me, just in verse. (Granted, I read both in translation so maybe Dante's translator did him a disservice. I know that's the case for my early encounters with Tolstoy.)

Dante translations are frequently problematic. I remember reading an essay some years ago which described the problems the academic group (at Harvard before the Civil War) had trying to produce the first American English translation, and they practically had to teach themselves archaic Italian even to get started, and wound up spending years and thousands of hours at it.

And remember, in any language, if you produce enough lines of verse, it becomes a National Epic and, if it lasts long enough, a Great Work even if the plot is ridiculous, the characters derivative, and the poetry forgettable. Sheer length and durability count for more in National Epics than any literary values.

 

[canadamufc]

Two American leaders in the base game is actually insane.