What do you think of the new voting system?

Voting system

  • Like the new system

    Votes: 7 46.7%
  • Like the old system

    Votes: 8 53.3%

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Corn is trying something new with it, I believe it is not fair and highly confusing.

It is not fair in that the options for president and so forth are all by nomination order, making them the first in every option.

It is confusing in that with so many choices, it's hard to decide what combination is what you really want.

I believe that the system of one poll per postion is neater, and simpler then sifting through a staggering amount of options looking for the optimum combination.
 
I think this system has some good parts and some bad parts.

1) It forces everybody to make a decision for each position. This is good in that each position gets equal attention, but its bad in that people who are indifferent to a particular position are forced to vote for a candidate and this can affect the outcome for that position.

2) It puts the whole election in one post. This is good because it doesn't clutter up the main page of this forum and makes sure that people don't accidentally skip over one particular office election. Its bad because some people who only care about one or two of the election races and/or are lazy will not read through all the options and will vote for one option that could affect the outcome of the positions they didn't look at.

Since this is the Democracy game, I think this experiment should have been proposed and voted on first rather than implemented outright. I realize that it's a big job for the Mod Liaison to post tons of polls, but acting unilaterally like this can make some people annoyed at the lack of a democratic process (not saying I'm annoyed though ;) ). Maybe if the Mod feels overworked here then the position could be rotated between the different Mods that partake in this game.

Edit: clarity
 
Maybe that discussion should be continued in PMs or some such thing. From the perspective of an ordinary, everyday forum-goer, I think it probably would be best for you to be seen as infalliable (so as not to give ammo to the highly-impressionable Pellaken ;) or to any Skywalker reincarnations)
 
Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae

You and I don't treat each other disrespectfully, the boy needs to learn how to talk to peoile.
If I do, then you do as well, sir, in my humble opinion.

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
I never have and never will.
Just because he agrees with you doesn't mean that he's right, and your conduct is extremly umprofessional, if you wish to discuss site matters, we do it in the staff forum, remember?
Trying to play kiss ass with the posters is bad buisness, Cornmaster.

Your acitons were agianst me, not CornMaster. I should have a part in thier rosolvation. I accept that I was a little immiture with my responce, but, to me, you were as well.

Apollo, normally I'd agree with you. I dont like abritrary actions. but lets assume this one is not liked. whats the worse that can happen? that we have an elected gov, and people dont like it. so in this instance, the test being the vote itself, isent wrong, in my view. perhaps we will go back if people want to, but for this time, I dont see anything wrong.
 
Originally posted by Pellaken

If I do, then you do as well, sir, in my humble opinion.
I treat all the same Pellekan.

Your acitons were agianst me, not CornMaster. I should have a part in thier rosolvation. I accept that I was a little immiture with my responce, but, to me, you were as well.
I started this thread to discuss game procedure, not as an attack on Cornmaster.
Your answer wasn't in that van, and I told you as such, you notice I didn't remove the part where you agree with the new system.

I want people to discuss procedure, not make things personal, you crossed that line, and I told you as much.

Corn feels very strongly that the new system has merit, so I will give it a shot.
 
Corn and I are even now discussing ways to make the new system easier, maybe different colors for each office, like Blue for President, red or interior, ect on the poll options to clarify it.
 
I'm in favour of the old one. Can't quite put my finger on a decent explanation, other then maybe "I'm far too damn lazy to try and decipher that mess you call a poll" :D
 
I think that it certainly streamlines things, but I can forsee lots of trouble should we ever get to the stage whereby more than 2 people want the same role. If we get even 3 candidates for one position then that would entail another load of poll options, and the polls would begin to stretch over several pages, if this is at all possible. In that situation I think that perhaps a reversion ot the old system would be worthwhile, such that a lengthy poll serves all the combinations of posts with 2 candidates, but separate polls cover those positions with several candidates.

On a tangentially related topic, I am considering the possibility of starting the duke o' york's Political Accountability office: a regulatory body for our government departments to highlight those officeholders who are not fully earning their salaries. I know that I have attracted the rivalry (well, it's not as serious as enmity or anything) of the Duck of Flanders for my previous foray into this realm and would like to make the perhaps foolish announcement that I am not scared of what muck you may care to chuck in my direction should I find that you have been remiss in your duties. The thread I want to start would allow ministers and governors to explain their absence from duty or the reasons for their not following the rules of administration before appropriate measures were considered to counter such problems in future. Is this a useful addition to our already bureaucratic system, or would it just create a number of sinecure posts without purpose?
 
I think that it certainly streamlines things, but I can forsee lots of trouble should we ever get to the stage whereby more than 2 people want the same role. If we get even 3 candidates for one position then that would entail another load of poll options, and the polls would begin to stretch over several pages, if this is at all possible. In that situation I think that perhaps a reversion ot the old system would be worthwhile, such that a lengthy poll serves all the combinations of posts with 2 candidates, but separate polls cover those positions with several candidates.

In now way i'm criticizing Cornmaster here ,There is nothing wrong with trying to reform a bit on the part's that demand to much work.Though like duke said here and i mentioned before ,the poll could be very long if not impossible if there were much more nominee's. A calculation:

If we would have 2 canditate's for every position that would make a number of option's of 2to the 8 (dont know how to say this in english ,i gues 2 to 8 quadrat ,basicly 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2)
would eventualy make 256 option's :eek: a bit hard to implement i think.as thus th is system has it's limitation's.though it doesn't mean we can't use this example as guideline for a new ellection system in a somewhat changed form.

On a tangentially related topic, I am considering the possibility of starting the duke o' york's Political Accountability office: a regulatory body for our government departments to highlight those officeholders who are not fully earning their salaries. I know that I have attracted the rivalry (well, it's not as serious as enmity or anything) of the Duck of Flanders for my previous foray into this realm and would like to make the perhaps foolish announcement that I am not scared of what muck you may care to chuck in my direction should I find that you have been remiss in your duties. The thread I want to start would allow ministers and governors to explain their absence from duty or the reasons for their not following the rules of administration before appropriate measures were considered to counter such problems in future. Is this a useful addition to our already bureaucratic system, or would it just create a number of sinecure posts without purpose?

I don't think that's a bad idea ,i will await the reaction's of other people though.On a personal note ,don't my "rivilary" or whatever to you as to serious ,only i won't refrain from criticizing you when you do something wrong as leader ,then again i won't refrain from critizicing anyone who does somethiong wrong.
So for what it's worth ,all those thing's are kinda like forgotten as i never took them to serious neither.
 
I am not very fond of the new system, maybe because the poll consists of so much dense text that it is hard to read. I had difficulties finding my alternative. The way I see it, there is a risk that some people don´t bother looking for their "right" answer and thus either vote more or less at random or don´t vote at all. The old system was easier to follow. :)

This new system could however be worth trying. The reduction of work is a good thing and perhaps it can be tweaked somewhat.
 
As far as the poll is concerned: hey nothing ventured nothing gained. I don't think it hurt to at least try it, and by voting, we as a society can express our like or dislike.

Personally, it was slightly confusing, but once I went throught he nomination thread I just wrote down my choices on a piece of paper. Then I went and found my match.

It may have been easier to read if single candidates weren't included, but no harm no foul.

Perhaps in the future, with fewer nominations we can vote in one poll, but if there are many nominations we could go back to the old way. Perhaps if the choices will lead to more than 16 or 20 or so combinations we should use that as a cut-off and go back to single polling.


Originally posted by duke o' york


On a tangentially related topic, I am considering the possibility of starting the duke o' york's Political Accountability office: a regulatory body for our government departments to highlight those officeholders who are not fully earning their salaries. I know that I have attracted the rivalry (well, it's not as serious as enmity or anything) of the Duck of Flanders for my previous foray into this realm and would like to make the perhaps foolish announcement that I am not scared of what muck you may care to chuck in my direction should I find that you have been remiss in your duties. The thread I want to start would allow ministers and governors to explain their absence from duty or the reasons for their not following the rules of administration before appropriate measures were considered to counter such problems in future. Is this a useful addition to our already bureaucratic system, or would it just create a number of sinecure posts without purpose?

Duke:

This is similar to the idea that others were expressing about a newspaper of sorts, and I think it's a great idea. Is not the press the watchdog of a democracy?

I would consider starting one up myself if I do not have a position in the upcoming cabinet. I think that the potential is endless.

Certainly, it would still have to abide by the forum rules - so it could not go by the name of The Daily Flamer or anything.

What it could provide is some reporting (hopefully somewhat unbiased), perhaps an editorial section with a point-counterpoint, perhaps some interviews with key government or former government people, and so on (this could be fun to do by perhaps printing a "chat" session). People could send you letters, Duke, like a "Letters to the Editor" section - and you could invite others to write Op Ed pieces and things like that.

Around election time, why not allow the candidates to write their positions - then put them in the same post so the comparisons can be right there.

I think if it's done fairly, it could be great fun and a very interesting exercise! I think it would take a good editor, and if I can't get you to take an office, Duke, I could think of no better person for the job. :goodjob:
 
I shall not be here over the weekend, and so shall wait until Monday to gauge public opinion and work out whether there is a demand for this kind of office in our kingdom. Thanks for the support of Kev and the Duck (I'm not taking our rivalry seriously you know and would not move for impeachment just on the basis of it ;)) though. :goodjob:
 
i liked the old system Much better.
the new one is very confusing and many people will not read through all the chhoises, or just pik one that satisfies the conditions they care for and not the once they don't care for
In the old system if the person didn't care who would be minister of interior(for example)he just didn't wote in that poll, but now he is just going to pik the one closer to the top so it makes it a little bit unfair. Plus it is very CONFUSING!
 
I appreciate the reasons for wanting to change the voting system, but I think the disadvantages (barely) outweigh the advantages. I found it confusing to wade through a couple screens worth of rather dense text, much of it very similar (only one position with a different candidate). Overall voting was probably faster this way, but more daunting. I'd rather vote on each position so I only have to make one decision at a time. Perhaps a compromise of sort, e.g. vote on the cabinet as a group, and the governors as a group. Something like that so there aren't quite so many choices to wade through
 
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