What is Muhammad's Image doing in game files?

[Tunch Khan]

Post a screenshot of this Mehmet and lets determine if he's a Turk or Arab and get this over with.

Lol, that's like pouring oil to extinguish a fire. It's a real small image anyway and as I said there's no way he's Mehmed II. I mean if you have some common sense, you wouldn't put Mehmed II there under a leaderhead_arabian_Muhammad file.
Secondly, there's no image of Prophet Muhammad anywhere else for you or me to make a comparison. The image is of a dark skinned person with a full beard, white turban and a green coat over a red shirt.

 

[Tunch Khan]

Well anyway, I know you feel strongly about this, but arent there worse things going on in the world for Muslims right now? If I were you and felt strongly about seeing things done right by Islam I dont know that I'd be complaining about an unused image in a packed resource that may or may not be of the Prophet. Just saying, is all

I don't feel strongly about this, but I know the issue well. I know some people will feel very very irritated. Mine is just an early warning.

 

[Anima Croatorum]

Just send him for two weeks holiday to Antalya and he'll fit the description.

 

[Mrdie]

May we at least have a guide to where it is?

 

[Blarg]

You shouldn't have to disrespect your own harmless ideas in an attempt to appease others. We all know there is nothing wrong with pictures of anything, including any people.

It's time people stopped confusing the right to have a belief with the right to impose it on others. The demand that Mohammad never be depicted upon penalty of death, even to people of other religions, is the kind of thing fanaticism is all about.

The truth is, some people are willing to die to shove their beliefs down other peoples' throats. That shouldn't be respected, much less tolerated. On the other hand, nobody wants to die, so we have medieval level bullying in the modern world. It's a pity. But one thing it is not worthy of is respect. If you're going to murder people, it damn well needs to be for better reasons than because someone made a drawing or something.

 

[Tunch Khan]

You shouldn't have to disrespect your own harmless ideas in an attempt to appease others. We all know there is nothing wrong with pictures of anything, including any people.

It's time people stopped confusing the right to have a belief with the right to impose it on others. The demand that Mohammad never be depicted upon penalty of death, even to people of other religions, is the kind of thing fanaticism is all about.

The truth is, some people are willing to die to shove their beliefs down other peoples' throats. That shouldn't be respected, much less tolerated. On the other hand, nobody wants to die, so we have medieval level bullying in the modern world. It's a pity. But one thing it is not worthy of is respect. If you're going to murder people, it damn well needs to be for better reasons than because someone made a drawing or something.

Damnant quod non intellegunt.

 

[Tunch Khan]

May we at least have a guide to where it is?

C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Assets\Art0.FPK\art\interface\leaderheads

 

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[Mrdie]

C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Assets\Art0.FPK\art\interface\leaderheads

Am I going to wear the .FPK or something? I can't open it.

Okay, here is an idea. Upload it to imageshack or another image hosting program and make over 50 spoilers of spoilers and in the last spoiler include the image.

 

[Tunch Khan]

Am I going to wear the .FPK or something? I can't open it.

Okay, here is an idea. Upload it to imageshack or another image hosting program and make over 50 spoilers of spoilers and in the last spoiler include the image.

I'd rather not participate in such an action myself. However, if you are really curious about it, you'll need modding tools to open FPK files, like FpkPacker, gpex and DDS Converter.
Anyway, I was just hoping some Firaxians would notice it and take necessary actions before an image file that small causes a headache. I told you before it's more like a buttonhead, barely recognizable. It's the file name that is just unnecessary and that's all. I did not intend to create any flame thread. If it keeps going like that, I hope the thread will get locked and it disappears in the bottomless pit of forgotten threads.

 

[GeneralZed]

Just cause its forbidden in the muslim world it doesnt mean I can paint a picture of him.

 

[diamond geezer]

What I could see happening is that the image was going to be used in the game, but someone did work out it shouldn't be. However a lazy/incompetent programmer didn't remove it from the Art file.

Someone should give Firaxis a heads up.

 

[kasner]

uh uh uh. this is a very touchy subject. PC is all we need i'm afraid, but look at all the moderator editing, what have people been saying. i'm sure if someone does point it out to firaxis, it should get fixed up, especially since i notice that civIV is 'global'. nice of you to point it out, but have you told them about it yet?

 

[Lorteungen]

Just look at that poor Danish magazine who had the same misfortune by publishing his image very recently.

It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic here but if you're not, allow me to clear this up since I'm from Denmark. This "poor" danish newspaper ONLY posted those images to provoce and harass muslims under the guise of defending freedom of speech. Muhammed was painted with horns in his forehead like a devil, a bomb in his turban, dressed like a suicide bomber and so forth. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
The article is part of a general harassment of muslims in Danish society, one very much like the one that went on in Germany in the 1930's, where muslims are compared to tumours and accused of all societys ills. Much like this in fact.

 

[kasner]

you know wait. is this image created by an islamic artist, or non-islamic/western artist? i suddenly remembered that in islamic art, you're not supposed to depict ANY kind of person in art, only really beautiful motifs and patterns. because if its painted by a non-muslim, then is offensive to the fact that someone else has depicted their great prophet as an image? how old is that image? where is it now? because if it still stands, i think there would already be much objection?!

 

[grtmoby]

Just cause its forbidden in the muslim world it doesnt mean I can paint a picture of him.

It should come out of respect for other believes. What would you think of a non-christian who paint a nude or exotic picture for Jesus Christ or Virgin Mary. Do you remember what happened between Madonna and the Vatican for a song.....

We should all respect each other believes and thoughts as we shall gain nothing from irrespecting and/or humiliation other than hate and very very hard feelings that could develop to worse.

For the this guy who was talking about Arabs not having computers that are capable of running civ4 and plumbing.....etc. Man, have you ever visited an Arabian country or got acknowledged of what is found their. Trust me, if you do you'll be much amazed. If you need to know about Arabs, listen to this, Read what Firaxis itself wrote about them under the leader Saladdin so you may just get an intro and if u want more ask and i'll do my best to answer.

It is once said:

"It is nice to be important but it is more important to be nice"------ Scooter

 

[Kazper]

You shouldn't have to disrespect your own harmless ideas in an attempt to appease others. We all know there is nothing wrong with pictures of anything, including any people.

It's time people stopped confusing the right to have a belief with the right to impose it on others. The demand that Mohammad never be depicted upon penalty of death, even to people of other religions, is the kind of thing fanaticism is all about.

The truth is, some people are willing to die to shove their beliefs down other peoples' throats. That shouldn't be respected, much less tolerated. On the other hand, nobody wants to die, so we have medieval level bullying in the modern world. It's a pity. But one thing it is not worthy of is respect. If you're going to murder people, it damn well needs to be for better reasons than because someone made a drawing or something.

I couldn't agree more! Well said.

However, the OP's point is that no matter what is "right" Take2/Firaxis might have a commercial interested in not offending potential buyers, and in that context he is right.

Living in Denmark myself, I have first hand experience with the incident he refers to in which a Danish newspaper printed various artist's images of Muhammed, and the resulting reaction was far from confined to a few Muslims - although most did just express their displeasure, and only one apparently felt the need to send deaththreats to some of the artists...

No matter how much I agree that any attempt to force your religious beliefs on others - even through "peaceful" means, is wrong, and I fully support the right of the Newspaper and the artists to do what they did, things are not so clear when commercial insterests are mixed in.

It should come out of respect for other believes. What would you think of a non-christian who paint a nude or exotic picture for Jesus Christ or Virgin Mary. Do you remember what happened between Madonna and the Vatican for a song.....

Being a christian myself, I can honestly say that while I might be upset, I would fully support that person's right to do so, and I would never object - violently or peacefully - to his/her right to do so if he/she didn't share my beliefs.

 

[Jonathan]

It's time people stopped confusing the right to have a belief with the right to impose it on others.

This is a reasonable point. Take this example of something that actually happened to me. About ten years ago I was living in Grenoble (France), and while I was standing in the large square near the railway station I took a photo of the square, with the mountains in the background.

There were quite a large number of people in the square, but none close to me as I took the photo. Someone approached me and said that for religious reasons he objected to me taking a photo of him. I was startled. He was one of a crowd standing in the middle distance while I took a landscape photo. What was I supposed to do, ask everyone's permission before I took any photo?

Some of these religious objections are unreasonable and not to be tolerated.

That being said, I don't feel that my liberty is impaired by not displaying images of a foreign long-dead prophet -- as I have no personal desire to do so anyway. In some cases one can respect other people's requests out of simple politeness, if it's easy to do.

 

[Lorteungen]

Being a christian myself, I can honestly say that while I might be upset, I would fully support that person's right to do so, and I would never object - violently or peacefully - to his/her right to do so if he/she didn't share my beliefs.

You may not (like a lot of muslims) but a lot of your peers will. Remember the Jesus-sandals? Lots of christians protested against those. Remember Thorsen's movie about Jesus?