What is that violet-white civ on the mini map down there?

[Louis XXIV]

While the Romans created the laurel symbol, pretty much everyone else after them used it too.

Perfect example

 

[ImperialChaos]

Yeah, Italy's emblem has a laurel. I don't know why this discussion is going on now that Italy is out. Venice would not be good choice, anyway. Rome would better represent Italy as it was completely on the Italian Peninsula unlike Venice.

 

[Option]

In the Scramble for Africa scenario the Italians will be represented by the Roman civ. I think this speaks against the inclusion of Venice. If Venice was truly among the nine civs then it would've made far more sense to have them be the stand in for Italy instead of Rome. I think calling Venice confirmed because of one colour is adequate.

As I've said in another thread regarding this achievement icon:
Putting the Venetian lion as symbol there would've made even less sense than the Roman laurel branches. That, and as Louis XXIV presents, you could interpret them as the modern emblem of Italy that uses the olive and oak branches in the same shape as the laurels.

Laurels on the Italy-specific achievement on the scenario doesn't count out Venice at all.

 

[Merciorum]

Thing is, the globes in that flag are not purple and white, but gold and blue. The same color combination is found here: http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/italy_history_2.html. It'd appear purple is not the most appropriate color for Venice.

Except, as has been pointed out, the colours used in the minimap are exactly the same as two of the colours on the Venetian flag on Wiki, which apparently, according to some technical stuff to do with compression, is extremely unlikely to happen co-incidentally.

 

[InsanelyApple]

Except, as has been pointed out, the colours used in the minimap are exactly the same as two of the colours on the Venetian flag on Wiki, which apparently, according to some technical stuff to do with compression, is extremely unlikely to happen co-incidentally.

And the exact colors are from the Wikipedia Venice flag and mini-map using RGB colors.

Purple on Mini-map: 100 35 163
Purple on the flag: 102 34 162

Beige on Mini-map: 253 255 216
Beige on the flag: 253 254 219

All those numbers are less than 3 off from the corresponding value.

 

[glaivemaster]

Am I the only one seeing a clear difference between the two whites posted side by side? I'm not arguing for or against, but I think it's worth pointing out that while the purples are the same, the whites are actually quite different.

 

[YohanLeafheart]

Although venice is likely, something to consider. We still need a civ to tie-in with the new religion reformation mechanic. And also, iirc, the papal states flag during reformation was purple/white (drawing memory from the Here I stand Game)

 

[ImperialChaos]

Although venice is likely, something to consider. We still need a civ to tie-in with the new religion reformation mechanic. And also, iirc, the papal states flag during reformation was purple/white (drawing memory from the Here I stand Game)

Papal are out. Vatican City is in and it comes before Poland alphabetically.

 

[DeutschDachs]

Although venice is likely, something to consider. We still need a civ to tie-in with the new religion reformation mechanic. And also, iirc, the papal states flag during reformation was purple/white (drawing memory from the Here I stand Game)

I feel like most of those civs are already represented though? Germany england, byzantium, etc?

I'm running out of options in Europe that aren't Venice though. If bucharest and Budapest are city states there are slim pickins.

 

[YohanLeafheart]

Papal are out. Vatican City is in and it comes before Poland alphabetically.

Ahh, that sucks. But why does it matter about the alphabetical order? Is there a theory about it? Or is it canon?

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'm running out of options in Europe that aren't Venice though. If bucharest and Budapest are city states there are slim pickins.

The only plausible one I could see is Ukraine, but that's a long-shot, even compared to Venice. Then again there could be the other Italian polities like Sicily (which I personally wouldn't mind, actually) and Tuscany. And San Marino.

 

[YohanLeafheart]

I feel like most of those civs are already represented though? Germany england, byzantium, etc?

I'm running out of options in Europe that aren't Venice though. If bucharest and Budapest are city states there are slim pickins.

Yes they are, but I was going for the purple thing + reformation. Unless they change someone, it will be the only new mechanic without a tied civ.

 

[Option]

And San Marino.

Hey, it IS the oldest still-standing republic in the world!

 

[nunor]

The only plausible one I could see is Ukraine

Speaking of which, there's this flag on Wikicommons:

(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Little_Russia.PNG)

"Little Russia" (or "Malorossia") was the 'nickname' of Ukraine for many centuries. However, I cannot find this flag anywhere else, so it may have been made up.

 

[anandus]

Ahh, that sucks. But why does it matter about the alphabetical order? Is there a theory about it? Or is it canon?

The achievements are alphabetically ordered, so the theory goes, and we have
Achievement about Assyria
Achievement about Brazil
Achievement about Indonesia
Achievement about Morocco
Achievement about Poland
Achievement about Portugal
Achievement about ???
Achievement about ???
Achievement about Zulu

So, according to this alphabet theory, the two missing civs start with a letter between the P and the Z.

 

[ImperialChaos]

Speaking of which, there's this flag on Wikicommons:

(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Little_Russia.PNG)

"Little Russia" (or "Malorossia") was the 'nickname' of Ukraine for many centuries. However, I cannot find this flag anywhere else, so it may have been made up.

God, that would be the biggest dark horse of them all.

 

[SnowKomodo]

God, that would be the biggest dark horse of them all.

Given the Sweden surprise, I'm not ruling anything out at this point

 

[Hyperion529]

did anyone else notice that the city borders of what appears to be purple civs capitol are quite wide for a single-city-enclave? if the AI plays like this, that suggests a tall civ, probably with culture and/or capitol bonuses to me

 

[turingmachine]

The only plausible one I could see is Ukraine

Ukraine would be a really odd choice. We already have Poland(-Lithuania) and Russia for when Ukraine wasn't independent. So that leaves modern Ukraine and Kievan Rus'. Kievan Rus' doesn't fit alphabetically and it would be really odd and ahistorical to make a specifically Kievan Rus' civ and call it Ukraine. A civ focused on modern Ukraine would be just that, a modern civ.

 

[ImperialChaos]

did anyone else notice that the city borders of what appears to be purple civs capitol are quite wide for a single-city-enclave? if the AI plays like this, that suggests a tall civ, probably with culture and/or capitol bonuses to me

At the end of the day, despite my lack of admiration for the purple theory, it's most likely Venice and has a unique ability that affects it's capital; since it was a city-state. It would explain why the capital is so cultured.