What is the best use of gold?

[Archon_Wing]

Any point in building izs for the great engineers?

 

[Victoria]

Not going to dispute the awesomness of chopping. Of course certain maps have more limited chopping options. You keep no forests around for lumber mills or appeal for a CV?

one lumber mill for the eureka .... maybe some in weak prod cities but you can build new forests for lumber mulls once you get conservation... and chopping in some theatres speeds that up

Any point in building izs for the great engineers?

Yes, when you use the mausoleum it's worth it to some degree.

 

[soulsprit]

It depends on the city placement.
When I found a city that ultimately extends to a 8x8 tile expanded zone with only flat lands near a floodplain area with surrounding wheat and i.e. cattle resources I usually only have a few tiles to create lumber mills and leave room for my districts resulting in low production.
On such a city I usually build a IZ then spare enough gold during the mid through late game to build the workshop or factory.
Or use a great engineer if gained to supply a workshop and factory.

Cities that already have very high production usually outpace the available civis and tech buildings that leaves priority to building and expanding a IZ in such a city. Only if theres enough growth to supply citizens and housing for other future crucial districts that are beneficial to the city placement.
If there are mountains nearby there needs to be a Campus.
A combination of mountains, Woods and natural wonder (all three or any two of all three) and I will build a holy site.

A high production city late game will get a IZ in advance to aquire the maximum number of hammers for space race projects.

However, I would certainly not prioritize every city in the game with IZ's. The profit is to marginal as Victoria pointed out. Although I haven't myself magnified the numbers subjectively as he did. But the benefit is not below par, it is unworthingly marginal.

I do buy buildings most noticeably monuments, but only when the economy allows and this varies per game and game type like IZ buildings for instance.
Others are unit upgrades, tile expansion and buying traders.
Ofcourse tile expansion pays back as mentioned earlier by someone so that you can sell strategic and luxuries.
Even when my location lacks luxuries I often plop cities that offer a quantity of strategic resources or a quantity of similar luxuries just to sell them off.
That way I can buy neccessary luxuries and plan ahead to find new ones myself.
Or just make some extra cash

 

[stinkubus]

What also plays against IZ is that they arrive later and are thus more expensive, unless you're playing Germany.

For SV you generally need one high production city, so the regional effects are less important, and the local production boost can be achieved by centralizing all your trade routes, not too mention that trade routes also provide the gold to buy great people.

IZs would become more useful if unit upgrades were not so cheap and people actually had to build late game units from scratch.

I agree 100% that unit upgrading is way too powerful as is. This is especially true for civs with strong ancient and classical era UUs as the AI can't kill them, so you may have all the units you need by T40 or T50. At a minimum the Professional Army card should be nerfed. With this policy it's trivial to get the required upgrade gold in time for any push that comes post-Mercenaries which covers just about everything outside of Warriors into Swords or UUs (the gold for which is also trivial in ~90% of games) although I suppose that Stirrups is obtainable before Mercenaries if you beeline it.

The console game, Civilization Revolution, only allowed unit upgrades in very limited circumstances. Germany's civ bonus allowed their "elite" troops to auto-upgrade at the required tech or you could build the Leonardo's Workshop wonder to get a one time upgrade. Otherwise obsolete units could be scrapped for half their hammer cost in gold.

Such a system would be preferable in Civ VI, imo. As you pointed out it would necessitate hard building later units which means no more ignoring infrastructure. It would also provide a hard-stop to those civs which are strong early as the venerable UUs become junk once the other civs can defend against them. Then maybe spamming War Carts, Eagle Warriors, etc. might be a bit more questionable when you know you'll have to sell them off cheap later and start over building an army.

 

[Mark the Bold]

B. I remember in one GOTM I just could not get the culture of another player... their answer on response was I bought a granary in that city.... OMG, so simple... and so effective.

Just to be clear, the reason you could not catch up was because you spent money on a Granary, or that you did NOT spend money on a granary?

 

[Victoria]

Just to be clear, the reason you could not catch up was because you spent money on a Granary, or that you did NOT spend money on a granary?

There was a 1 culture/science wonder and the best settling of it was without water.... The player who got to feudalism faster bought a granary there. it was GOTM19

6otM 19 After Action

 

[Chibisuke]

IZ is not that great just for increasing production unless you get tons of adjacency bonus and use the policy card that doubles IZ adjacency. Then it can be useful, but otherwise not so much. The main purpose for me of building IZ is to get great engineers. Some of them are pretty good, especially the ones that give bonus production to wonders. However getting great engineers can be challenging on deity level unless you are really on top of things.

 

[Victoria]

especially the ones that give bonus production to wonders

Not many wonders are worth it unless you are playing a longer game, immersing. Sure you can speed up the one or 2 you need but at the price of IZ

 

[Art Morte]

Well, if you put it like that! I might have to start actually reading the text descriptions of stuff and thinking about them, daresay it might improve my play. Just to clarify on the nerf, before IZs with factory or better affected all city squares within six tiles, now only one city square within six tiles, is that correct? Also, is it the nearest city if there are two or more within range? Please and thank you.

Only one is affected, I believe it is the nearest and if it already has a factory it does not get it..

Umm... This can't be tied to difficulty level, no? Factory and power plant bonuses still affect every city within 6 tiles for me...

 

[Victoria]

Factory and power plant bonuses still affect every city within 6 tiles for me...

Are you sure? It's was heavily tested and detested when it was done. I even checked myself, you got a save without a mod?

 

[Archon_Wing]

What? So a factory can only benefit the closest city? That's pretty worthless.

 

[Calcifer]

It's the other way around: a city can be affected by only one regional building of the same type. If there are many copies of that regional building in range, the highest yield wins.

So, if you build a factory, the bonus will affect every city within 6 tiles unless that city has another factory in range.

It's NOT that a factory can support only one additional city. Actually, building an IZ that can boost 6 or 7 cities is quite easy. Same for entertainment districts.

 

[Art Morte]

Are you sure? It's was heavily tested and detested when it was done. I even checked myself, you got a save without a mod?

Haven't got a save, I checked this a few games ago but then forgot which thread here talked about it, therefore posted about it only now. But I had no mods and I had several cities listing +3 production from one single factory.

 

[Art Morte]

It's the other way around: a city can be affected by only one regional building, if there are many regional buildings in range, the highest yield wins.

So, if you build a factory, the bonus will affect every city within 6 tiles unless that city has another factory in range.

It's NOT that a factory can support only one additional city. Actually, building an IZ that can boost 6 or 7 cities is quite easy. Same for entertainment districts.

That's how it's been, but I got the impression people here were talking about a relatively recent nerf (the summer patch I guess).

 

[Victoria]

Sure but if you say build 3 factories with 3 adjacent cities, none of them will get an additional +3, that's my understanding.

 

[Art Morte]

Sure but if you say build 3 factories with 3 adjacent cities, none of them will get an additional +3, that's my understanding.

Yeah, okay, I think I misunderstood what you were talking about. The bonuses don't stack after one factory, but one factory gives that +3 to everyone within 6 tiles.

 

[MadDjinn]

Are you sure? It's was heavily tested and detested when it was done. I even checked myself, you got a save without a mod?

It affects all cities in range that do not have a factory or power plant themselves, and doesn't already get a bonus from another city. The utility of this is that you can add hammers to other cities without them needing to get the IZ themselves.

The change was to prevent mass overlapping, which was stupid.

 

[Nefelia]

IZ are worse... in value I would place them

1. Campus
2. Encampment
3. Commercial
4. Harbour
5. Theatre
6. Entertainment
7. Industrial

with Holy site being dependent on VC and to some degree choice in some strategies.

I was never a fan of the clumping-factories strategy, as it destroyed any sense of immersion. I'm glad that factories were nerfed.

That said, if a city has a tile adjacent to 3 or more hill/stone/jade/mercury, it gets an Industrial Zone. With the right economic policy, that is +6 to +12 production in almost every city.

10 trade routes great... but 20?

20+ trade routes running from one's capital city may not be necessary for those bee-lining a particular victory, but goddamn is it ever an epic thing to see.

Of course, most people don't play on Giant+ maps, so I guess my experience is far from the norm.

 

[Victoria]

20+ trade routes running from one's capital city may not be necessary for those bee-lining a particular victory, but goddamn is it ever an epic thing to see.

Science victory and great zim. Epic and well, not needed but helps a lot

 

[UWHabs]

Also keep in mind that an industrial zone is production to internal trade routes, so if you have 5, 10, or 20 trade routes to one city, putting an industrial zone there can provide a lot more production too (assuming you value production > food, which is usually the case since you can get a lot of food from farms).

It's definitely not the district I build in every city anymore (since, as mentioned, the workshop won't often pay off, and a factory may be useless), but I will pretty much always want at least one to cover my main cities. That first factory can easily cover 4-5 cities, which makes the payoff come a bit sooner, and even more if you have Toronto or one of the engineers that give extra bonuses to factories.