What is the Moon?

[Corlis]

Which god(s) made the moon in the FFH universe, and what does it represent? I got onto this topic because I was wondering how FFH werewolves worked, since nothing in the Civilopedia suggests that they are affected by the moon like traditional werewolves are.

Heck, for that matter, is there a moon in FFH?

 

[KillerClowns]

There are enough moon-related symbols in FfH to assume the existence of a moon. How a moon (or, for that matter) a sun operates in a flat world is another question. I'd assume Discworld style, rotating around the world's edges.
I can say nothing of werewolves, unfortunately.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Yes, Erebus has a Moon. It is mentioned in many pedia entries and some diplomacy texts. It would also be odd for them to have the moon in their Somnium decks if their world didn't have one.


The crescent moon is the Svartalfar symbol, and about half of the references to the moon relate to dark elves. This may indicate that the moon is sacred to Esus, and may be his creation. It makes sense for him to be associated with the pale reflection of the true source of light (Lugus). He is all about imitating the truth in a less fulfilling way. Moonlight is often not bright enough to help us really see the truth, but it lets us see enough for our minds to play tricks on us and for us to think what we see is real.


Some cults of the Overlords seem to find the moon, especially the full moon, very important, but others seem to ignore it. The Luonnatar haven't been able to figure out as much about this religion as the others, possibly because to really know anything about it one has to be completely insane. Since this is a watery religion, the moon's importance to them is likely tied to the tides. Danalin is also said to have cried silvery tears that crossed the path of the moon right before he fell asleep.


Gyra, the Archangel of Death, is also compared to moonlight.

In the Age of Ice pedia, Ceridwen first appeared to Kylorin in the moonlight.




AoI indicates that Hatti (who was infected with lycanthropy in the womb) is stuck permanently in wolf form, but that her mother can change back and forth at will. I tend to think that Greater Werewolves have gained full control of their transformations, that Blooded Werewolves might be able to change based on their emotional state but are mostly controlled by the moon's cycle, and that ravenous werewolves are too overcome by hunger to return to human form at all.

Edit: I thought I remembered seeing that the Splintered Court scenario had Duin's werewolves changing based on the cycle of the moon, but I was wrong; it seems to be based on the cycle of the sun instead. They become beasts at night, and return to their human form by day. I think pedia only ever mentions werewolves attacking at night, and only shows Duin controlling his transformation (he stayed human at night to better coordinate an attack, and turned into a beast to put a young ravenous werewolf back in line.)

It may be that Lugus placed a similar curse on werewolves as he did on vampires, but that since werewolves are not responsible for their killings that when sunlight activates their conscious it merely helps them remember who they really are and helps them control the wild spirit within rather than causing them pain. If the Moon is a tool of Esus, then it might have the opposite effect, deceiving a werewolf into believing that his beast form is his true form and making him forget what little bit of humanity might make the beast merciful to his former loves ones on a moonless night.

 

[Corlis]

Hmmm, OK, thanks! For something so important as the moon, it seems like there's not too much lore directly about it.

 

[evanb]

Not much about the Sun either... 'cept for the fact it's related to Lugus.

 

[Kael]

In the Fall of Mammon cycle its mentioned that the world is in perpetual day, so it can be assumed that before the fall there was no night. What that says about the moon is open for speculation.

 

[Corlis]

Hmm. I guess I can see a couple of possibilities then. Maybe the Moon didn't exist then, but was created later as a fake sun that temporarily pushes the real sun out of the sky to create night. Alternatively, the moon may have existed then and shared responsibilities with the sun, but whichever god was in charge of it fell and so it went dark, twisting the light of the real sun.

Assuming Lugus is in control of the sun, which is pretty much a given, it does seem entirely logical that Esus was the one responsible for the moon's current state, since the moon is now the nemesis of the sun.

 

[Avahz Darkwood]

maybe it's Esus's False Erebus?

 

[mimic]

I think the god of cheese created it.


Wait whats that you say? there is no god of cheese..ohoho there is, there is.

 

[Skitters]

In the Fall of Mammon cycle its mentioned that the world is in perpetual day, so it can be assumed that before the fall there was no night. What that says about the moon is open for speculation.

Hmm. I guess I can see a couple of possibilities then. Maybe the Moon didn't exist then, but was created later as a fake sun that temporarily pushes the real sun out of the sky to create night. Alternatively, the moon may have existed then and shared responsibilities with the sun, but whichever god was in charge of it fell and so it went dark, twisting the light of the real sun.

Assuming Lugus is in control of the sun, which is pretty much a given, it does seem entirely logical that Esus was the one responsible for the moon's current state, since the moon is now the nemesis of the sun.

or alternatively, the Evil Gods created night, so Lugus and the Good gods also created the moon so that Erebus would still have some light at night.....only some complication meant that it was a bit of a half arsed job

 

[Verdian]

I think the moon is a passage into (or out of, depending on what conspiracy theories you believe) Esus's fake Erebus. Lugus is the Sun, yes? And in the real world the moon reflects the light of the Sun. I think the relationship there is that the moon represents Esus mimicing and falsifying the light of Lugus. It stands to reason that Esus would not have made the false Erebus until after he fell (why would he create a false world when he represented trust?), and so the moon did not exist back then.

Of course, this does not answer the question of "Where did night come from?" Perhaps the fact that night now exists lends credibility to the idea that Erebus really is Esus's world.