What is your gender?

[Ecofarm]

Gender is not just male and female.

Gender = place in society.

For examples:

Old man
Mature man
Young man
Boy

All different genders.

And also, your social classification:

Straight
Gay
Variations thereof

Gender is the pigeonhole that an individual fits into within society. It's not just male and female. That question would be: "what sex are you?".


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[plarq]

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[Eran of Arcadia]

So, Ecofarm, you are defining gender as social status? That seems unnecessary, we already have words for age, role in society, et al. Why not include hair color as part of "gender" then?

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

So, Ecofarm, you are defining gender as social status? That seems unnecessary, we already have words for age, role in society, et al. Why not include hair color as part of "gender" then?

Yeah. Old men, young men, and boys all have certain things in common so it is useful to categorize them all as males.

 

[IglooDame]

Gender is not just male and female.

Gender = place in society.

For examples:

Old man
Mature man
Young man
Boy

All different genders.

And also, your social classification:

Straight
Gay
Variations thereof

Gender is the pigeonhole that an individual fits into within society. It's not just male and female. That question would be: "what sex are you?".


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I disagree. From everything I've seen, gender is "do you present yourself as male or female (or androgynous)" and sex is "do your naughty bits give or receive". And then sexual preference is "what gender/sex do you prefer to shack up with". Old/mature/young/kid are just ages or perception of ages.

 

[b etor]

wow i can't believe there are 9 women reading these boards

there aren't. check the list. some have lied.

 

[Swedishguy]

there aren't. check the list. some have lied.

Everyone who voted for "Female" lied.

 

[Ecofarm]

So, Ecofarm, you are defining gender as social status? That seems unnecessary, we already have words for age, role in society, et al. Why not include hair color as part of "gender" then?

Yeah. Old men, young men, and boys all have certain things in common so it is useful to categorize them all as males.

I disagree. From everything I've seen, gender is "do you present yourself as male or female (or androgynous)" and sex is "do your naughty bits give or receive". And then sexual preference is "what gender/sex do you prefer to shack up with". Old/mature/young/kid are just ages or perception of ages.

It seems that, in fact, I'm the odd one here.

Spoiler :

Usage Note: Traditionally, gender has been used primarily to refer to the grammatical categories of "masculine," "feminine," and "neuter," but in recent years the word has become well established in its use to refer to sex-based categories, as in phrases such as gender gap and the politics of gender. This usage is supported by the practice of many anthropologists, who reserve sex for reference to biological categories, while using gender to refer to social or cultural categories. According to this rule, one would say The effectiveness of the medication appears to depend on the sex (not gender) of the patient, but In peasant societies, gender (not sex) roles are likely to be more clearly defined. This distinction is useful in principle, but it is by no means widely observed, and considerable variation in usage occurs at all levels.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gender

Sorry, I dabble in anthropology. I thought varying roles in society beyond biology was the common use of 'gender' these days.

Example (FAO):

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Gender is not determined biologically, as a result of sexual characteristics of either women or men, but is constructed socially. It is a central organizing principle of societies, and often governs the processes of production and reproduction, consumption and distribution’ (FAO, 1997). Despite this definition, gender is often misunderstood as being the promotion of women only. However, as we see from the FAO definition, gender issues focus on women and on the relationship between men and women, their roles, access to and control over resources, division of labour, interests and needs.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5608e/y5608e01.htm

And from wiki bowdown:

In gender studies the term gender is used to refer to proposed social and cultural constructions of masculinities and femininities. In this context, gender explicitly excludes reference to biological differences, to focus on cultural differences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender


In other words, yall my bit*s. Everyone should have voted female.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

On the contrary, I disagree with anyone who uses that term. I am well aware that it has been used to mean a whole lot of things, but as I said there is no need to do so. If you do that, well, eventually you reach the point where everyone is their own gender and the word loses all meaning.

 

[IglooDame]

It seems that, in fact, I'm the odd one here.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gender

Sorry, I dabble in anthropology. I thought varying roles in society beyond biology was the common use of 'gender' these days.

Example (FAO):

http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5608e/y5608e01.htm

And from wiki bowdown:

In other words, yall my bit*s. Everyone should have voted female.

Heh - your anthropologists and feminist apologists are trying to hijack the definition. Get your own word, or at least offer an alternative to what the traditional definition of 'gender' covers.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

And isn't it stereotypical to claim that it is the woman's role to be wrong in an argument? Like you did?

 

[Ecofarm]

The term is useful in an anthropological study. It is not always women who do the "woman's work" and vice versa. One must catagorize roles played and duties preformed. To include a grown man and a boy in the same catagory would distort the labor and resources available as a result of this person.

We're changing the word, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Right, but why use the term "gender" in that case? I know that an old man and a young boy are different, there is no need to appropriate a word that already had an agreed-on meaning to point that out to me.

 

[IglooDame]

The term is useful in an anthropological study. It is not always women who do the "woman's work" and vice versa. One must catagorize roles played and duties preformed. To include a grown man and a boy in the same catagory would distort the labor and resources available as a result of this person.

We're changing the word, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Alternative lifestylers > anthropologists when it comes to cultural terminology.

See the common usage change of the words "gay" and "dyke" as examples. Anthropologists can't even decide between bigfoot, yeti, and sasquatch.

 

[Ecofarm]

If you use the term to mean sex, you look uneducated.

:shrug:

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I really thought the common use was societal role, not sex, these days. Sorry, I was wrong. But the above is not a flame. It is what those in the ivory tower think.

Consider it a 'Eco's helpful intellectual safety hint'.


I stand corrected, carry on (barbarians).

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Well, the common usage is pretty much synonymous with biological sex, if by common you mean "most people" rather than "anthropologists". Like I said, we already have words for "age", "sexual orientation", "socio-economic status", etc. No need to lump all of them under "gender".

 

[WerBackIII]

KaeptnOvi, philippe, Tycoon101

I thought you were guys...

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

They're probably not old enough.

 

[uat2d]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I accidentally clicked female!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Why are you unhappy of being female?




I'm a:

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Drum role

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More drum role

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Yet more drum role

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Check my Profile!

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to bad you won't find the answer there, i'm a:

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Male!

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:suicide:

 

[b etor]