What is your religion?

Wath are your religion?

  • Atheism (don't belive in any god).

    Votes: 59 36.4%
  • Baha'i Faith

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Christianity

    Votes: 69 42.6%
  • Confucianism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hinduism

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Islam

    Votes: 10 6.2%
  • Jainism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Judaism

    Votes: 5 3.1%
  • Shinto

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (Sikhism, Taoism, Vodun (Voodoo) or any other)

    Votes: 18 11.1%

  • Total voters
    162
Many people claim that the purpose of religion is to explain the mysteries of the universe to ignorant, superstitious peasants. They are wrong. The purpose of religion is to guide and teach, and to correct, so that it's followers may have a harmonious life together.

Naturally, I voted 'Other'. I am, after all, a Jehovah's Witness, and we bear about as much resemblance to what claims to be Christianity as roast beef does to horse doo-doo. :D

Some of us quote the rules, some of us actually try to obey them... Some of us keep the religion pure, some of us add whatever will keep us from getting beat up, or whatever will get bodies on the pews and money on the plates.

Tell you all what: go read a Bible, and then examine the various religions that claim to follow it's teachings. Don't take my word, don't take the Pope's word, don't take Jerry Falwell's word. Just take a good hard long look, and make your own decision as to who is trying their best to do the will of the God they claim to follow.

Then look at the way those people act, toward each other, toward strangers, and even toward themselves. Ask yourself which of these groups really seems dedicated to the concept of 'love thy neighbor'.

Now ask yourself, which one of these groups' followers would I like to live next door to me? And you know what? Feel free to examine the teachings and followers of all the religions that don't claim to be Christian or Bible-based, measuring all of them by the same yardstick: how well they practice what they preach.

I can't think of any more powerful argument than your own eyes. All I am asking is that you open them up.

And one last thing: I am about the worst example of a Christian you'd ever hope to meet. I try to be a nice person, but I am very easily distracted or enticed from doing what is right. I anger easily, and I 'hit' back when attacked. (Although I've never struck any one in anger, I speak only of verbal assaults.)
(Honestly, I've been beaten several times, but I never raised a hand against my attackers. Of course, that may be because they were cowards who outnumbered me three to one minimum every time, but I could be wrong. But I've never hit anyone, ever. Wow. That totally freaks me out. I just turned thirty two.)

I'm not supposed to be political, but I am in many ways. I don't like Communism, and I don't like Democrats in America, because they are thinly veiled communists. I suppose one could argue that communists embrace atheism and therefore it's okay to not like them, but I still shouldn't thereby like capitalism(well actually, the Bible seems to encourage laissez-faire, as long as the rich make charitable contributions of a meaningful size to those less fortunate). Still, I shouldn't like Republicans(then again, I registered as a Conservative, because they're the closest thing to decency in politics. ARRRGGGGHHH!!)

You see what I mean about being a lousy Christian? You want a halfway decent example of a Christian, ask Brad to hook you up. He's a real Christian, so he'll know a few.

Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't bother listening to someone talk about their religion, they're gonna sugar-coat it. Just get a basic lexicon of terms and rules that these proponents are supposed to be following, and then examine the representative to see how well they represent their faith.

If they are doing a great job, then you now need to examine that faith. You need to decide whether or not this faith is conducive to the harmony of humanity as a whole, not just one race or economic class. Further, if this religion bases itself upon some book or other defined philosophy, you should attempt to ensure that the message the religion claims is a) genuine, inasmuch as available texts can be translated, and b) unique, inasmuch as if differing versions exist, one of them can be reliably treated as authentic, and that is the one followed.

At the risk of angering the resident atheists, I'd have to state the obvious: their religion, since it has no rules whatsoever, is utterly non-conducive to harmony, as the absence of governing is anarchy, and anarchy simply does not work on any level once it is applied to a second entity. As soon as a second person arrives in an anarchistic 'society', some laws must be created to protect the individuals, and the anarchy must instantly vanish, by definition. Even 'unspoken rules' agreed upon by members of the now-defunct anarchy qualify as government.

(If anyone wants to debate anarchy/atheism with me, please start another thread.)
 
Close to Atheist. I believe in something other people call God, Allah or whatever. I don't believe in churches, mosques, clerics, popes etc. I believe organized religion is the source for a lot of trouble in the world. Therefore I tend to dislike people who see their world through religious glasses and see other people, who don't, as lower than low.

I hate religious arrogance (My god is better than yours and if you don't believe in my God you'll end up in hell... blahblah). I always feel the very strong urge to ruin such people's faces...
 
For those of you who say religeon is a crutch please tell me why 100 of 1000s of christians go to other countries to talk about Jesus only to get killed and prosecuted by the governments and peoples of these countries

next if one does not believe in a god how does one know right from wrong is by the laws that the state makes then how does the state know what laws to make may be its the statis quo if it feels good do it now if thats what tells you right from wrong why does it not supprise me to hear in NZ about all these teenager going about massacreing their fellow students and other things like that With out no god the world would go into anarchy because know one would obey the laws the governments make up and every one would do as they please

also whats the defenition of "religeon" to me the word religeon means some thing boring which I do not wish to associate with,
false, untrue

Christianity on the other hand I do not believe is the above to me it is some thing real and important

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t92300
 
Our neighbor - is not our neighbor but his neighbor - thus thinks every nation.

FL, I'd pick a Satanist as my neighbor. Satanic Bible is Golden Rule Book. Like Ted Nugent's thing, you don't f*** with me, I won't f*** with you.

As for the religion thing, RELIGION is bad and does nothing but bad things. FAITH is a completely different thing and can do wonderful things. FAITH is necessary for some, RELIGION is unneccessary for all unless you're a pastor/preacher/priest, then you gotta feed your children somehow eh?
 
Originally posted by t92300
For those of you who say religeon is a crutch please tell me why 100 of 1000s of christians go to other countries to talk about Jesus only to get killed and prosecuted by the governments and peoples of these countries

next if one does not believe in a god how does one know right from wrong is by the laws that the state makes then how does the state know what laws to make may be its the statis quo if it feels good do it now if thats what tells you right from wrong why does it not supprise me to hear in NZ about all these teenager going about massacreing their fellow students and other things like that With out no god the world would go into anarchy because know one would obey the laws the governments make up and every one would do as they please

t92300 has a point. What's the point in believing in something that's going to get you killed if it really isn't fufilling to you?

And without faith/religion or whatever, there is no such thing as moral absolutes. The restrictions society puts on certain activities and things is relative and really serves no purpose. Why would we outlaw murder (well, most of it)? What if I have the urge to do it one day? I'll be put in jail. But I was only doing what I thought was right at the time. It's all relative.

Truth is, we only outlaw some things a.) because their against some faith's laws or b.) we don't want those things to happen to us.
 
Well, continuing the "murder for example" thing, IF murder was not illegal, there would be 5 people left on earth. The reason some things are illegal is because they are detrimental to society and offer no positives.

As for goin to another country to spread a religion when it's illegal to do so? That's just plain stupid. Why not just kill yourself and save money on the plane ticket?
 
Originally posted by floppa21
IF murder was not illegal, there would be 5 people left on earth.

THAT many? ;)

The reason some things are illegal is because they are detrimental to society and offer no positives.

Legalizing murder makes purifying the gene pool a lot easier. :rolleyes: Euthenasia very helpfull in solving the Social Security problem.

As for goin to another country to spread a religion when it's illegal to do so? That's just plain stupid. Why not just kill yourself and save money on the plane ticket?

Because some people have a genuine intrest and concern for other people.
 
Purifying the gene pool? Then whoever decides what direction to take the gene pool is playing God and he would not be one of the 5 remaining people. ;)

If you mean abortion, that's a seperate issue, some people for, some people against. Is it murder? That's arguable.

As for euthanasia, I don't consider it murder, some people do... And I am for it, but as soon as someone is diagnosed as incurable and dies but is later found out to have been misdiagnosed, the world will piss itself over that...

With the general concern for other people, again, if you go somewhere it is illegal to spread Christianity and you do, you stupid. People can have general concern where it is not illegal and punishable by death to "help." You live in the USA, help here. Why go to Afghanistan where they kill ya? Wouldn't that be stupid?
 
Originally posted by floppa21
If you mean abortion, that's a seperate issue, some people for, some people against. Is it murder? That's arguable.

DEFINATELY arguable.

With the general concern for other people, again, if you go somewhere it is illegal to spread Christianity and you do, you stupid. People can have general concern where it is not illegal and punishable by death to "help." You live in the USA, help here. Why go to Afghanistan where they kill ya? Wouldn't that be stupid?

But if you have that general concern for people, is it fair only to go where it is easy? Is it fair to forget those other people because they are out of reach? You don't care about them enough to risk your life for them? It contradicts the very message you're trying to put across!

I agree, there is help to be given right here in the US, but there are people who help here. And there are people who help overseas and across the border. :)
 
I believe in - whatever you call it there is something.
What is it? It is what it is. This is nothing and this is everything. This is one thing but is made of two things (exp. good-bad). Those two things are made of everything, but everything is made of it. I believe it is you and you are it.
Is seeing believing? according to blind there is no light
Is hearing believing? according to deaf there is no sound
Is touch believing? according to paralysed there is no touch
Is smelling believing? according to …….(help me) there is no smell
What is believing? a state of mind?
Many great scientists believed in God and many believe that we use only ~5% of our brain – so what about the rest?
Move yourself 500 years back and try to explain to others what exp. electricity, or radiation is.
Does it create happiness – yes. Does it create wars – yes. Why? because you are it and it is you. Why is it the way it is? So you can find out you are it. Why are you here? Are you here?!?!
Some questions have not been answered or answers have not been understood for most of us for thousands of years. Wait…what is time? What is a question or answer? What should I do? But I am it so …

:lol:
 
Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
I don't like Communism, and I don't like Democrats in America, because they are thinly veiled communists.

eeewwwh !!! ... what a damnable slander. I have had some interesting conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses & their peculiar interpetation of the Book of Revelations , but for the sake of the rest of your occasionally eminently sensible post .. I shall hold fire.

Tell me though, do you think that Bob Kerrey ( ex Dem, Senator from Nebraska ) is a "thinly veiled communist" ?

Dog
 
Raised a Roman Catholic, but since cured. Clearly, there is no God. Well, except for Sophia Loren (c. 1955), maybe.
 
I am a follower of Chirst, a Christian. I accept Christ as my savior and accept the Bible as truth.

Christianity, as presented in the New Testament, is a radical and unique faith. It is the only faith that is based upon the concept of grace. Grace is the illogical and complete forgiveness of wrongdoing with no strings attached.

God has given me grace through Christ, and thus I must give grace to my fellow man. God only requires, and thus I must only require, that forgiveness is asked for.

The ideas of grace and love fly directly in the face of a world that is filled with hatred and unfairness. Those who follow these ideas require faith and will face attack.

You may ask how can man be held accountable in this world if forgiveness is to be free of charge. I respond by saying that forgiveness is the only response that destroys what attackers hope to achieve, a cycle of pain and hatred.

I am not a pacifist. There must be physical laws (civil or international) to live by, and they must be enforced physically. But our emotional reaction must be one of love and forgiveness.

As to those horrible deeds done in the name of Christ, those are the work of man. Man will continue to sin even in the face of foregiveness. I do every day! Where love exists, however, Christ exists also.

To those who look at the universe and see no God. I have no argument that will convince you. I only encourage you to look into the sky and talk to a astronomer about how deep it is. Then look at a human cell and ask a biologist how small its smallest part is. Finally, look at the micro and macro you have just seen and ask a physics professor how ordered it all is.

All this is why am a rebel and a radical, working against the system with message from another universe: God's.
 
Originally posted by Dogberry


eeewwwh !!! ... what a damnable slander. I have had some interesting conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses & their peculiar interpetation of the Book of Revelations , but for the sake of the rest of your occasionally eminently sensible post .. I shall hold fire.

Tell me though, do you think that Bob Kerrey ( ex Dem, Senator from Nebraska ) is a "thinly veiled communist" ?

Dog
I don't know the name. If he's in favor of ramming taxes down people's throats though, I don't like him. Charity means nothing if it is state-mandated. Worse, it usually falls far short of what the many individuals can do. Better to actually help one person, than claim to help hundreds of thousands, at the expense of millions, when the 'help' is merely enforced dependance.
 
I've said before that I hate hypocracy and Religion is very hypocritical, esp. the big ones.

Most religions always contradict what they proclaim in their scriptures and this I hate, I can tolerate religion if followed properly but the sad fact is it is always distorted.

For my example I will use Christianity, although it is not the only one. In its scriptures it preaches a life of good and denouncing evil or sin. Though upon just looking at history the followers have distorted the way the religion is followed and made it into a transport of evil.

I'm not just talking about normal followers but religious leaders, priests and pope's have abused their power of control over the masses and have corrupted the many. The sin their religion denounces is born within and this sin and hypocracy is left to fester and grow on the minds of the many.

This doesn't just happen in the past but in the present. You just have to look at Afghanistan, a country destroyed by a corruption of a religion, their leaders distorted the Koran's scriptures to an evil use. People destroyed and tortured because of a religion.

But it also happens in the west, it lives here in the form of racial discrimination. Racial discrimination originates in the teachings of corrupted Religious leaders all those years ago. In America black people were made slaves by followers of Christianity. Christians have a rule which declares "Treat others as you would like to be treated" I think you can work out where I'm coming from. Ok so maybe that was the past, but there is still that mentality; "you're different that means I'm superior!!" WRONG!!!

You may ask what I intend to achieve with this post? Well I intend to achieve nothing!! I know that I'll achieve nothing from it because some people are to closed to open up and think for themselves, to come up with their own ideas and to realise how hypocritical they are. I don't want everyone to stop being religious because it can bring good things as well as bad. All I want is for people to open up....
 
I am mad at a bunch of damn hypocrites who kill, maim, and slam everyone else in the name of some worthless superstition that they happen to call religion. Then we go around saying how wonderful it is that they believe in something akin to an old wives tale that was created millenia ago in order to answer the question of why the sun comes up and why you shouldn't hit your neighbor over the head with a stick (didn't work did it). Belief in such crap in the year 2001 is evidence that a hell of a lot of our society is totally dependent on a crutch to get through life. Why don't we just legalize heroin and shove 'em all in closet to mumble prayers to empty space.
 
Originally posted by FearlessLeader2

I don't know the name. If he's in favor of ramming taxes down people's throats though, I don't like him.

My, you must be totally isolated in some ways. No TV .. No newspapers.. no magazines....LOL. Are you sure that some of your opinions are not steeped in ignorance .... just a little ?

FYI... Bob Kerrey is an Ex-Democratic Senator from Nebraska, who is now chancellor of City College in NYC ( I believe that the name of the institution. ) Nebraska is a VERY Republican State, so that ought to tell you something. He was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam... & won the Medal of Honor during his tour. He also lost the lower part of one leg.

Some taxes, he believes in raising, others he believes in lowering, eg. an pragmatic as opposed to ideological approach to governance.

I am not a big one on creating dependancies either.. and I have more than a little practical experience with these matters. There are some things that government can do, others that it makes a mess of. It's as simple as that !


Dog
 
I am by no means a pacifist, nor do i support the killing of innocent people, I am not a Christian, Muslim or Jew. And in being neutral and having no biased toward any religion what-so-ever, I can honestly say that most religion has been responsible for more murders than anything else in history.
 
by FL2:
Many people claim that the purpose of religion is to explain the mysteries of the universe to ignorant, superstitious peasants.

If this was stated to answer
by Dexter:
The Begining Of Civilisation: God's were first created to help explain what man couldn't,
i.e.Volcanoes,earthquakes,hurricanes, lightning and other natural disasters.

Then it missed the mark by the proverbial mile.

It is certainly true that religion has, from time to time and place to place, been used to prop up power structures in the guise of maintaining social order and people's lack of knowledge has been exploited to do this.

But in the context of this discussion that is neither here nor there.

Dexter was referring to the idea (speculation, if you like) that the origins of religion lie in attempts to explain things beyond their understanding. To me this would suggest that these were very intelligent people tackling difficult questions in an innovative way. This is a plausible idea and some people are probably highly convinced by it, but of cours it would be very difficult to prove, even in a non-rigorous manner.

I'm not convinced by your description of the purpose of religion. I can see that it may well be true for your specific religion, but it does not seem to relate so clearly to at least some other religions where more emphasis is placed on worship or transcendence or personal redemption.

It may well be possible to come up with a reasonable definition of what religion is (relating such factors as the existence of a god or gods and a structured belief system, and perhaps with a societal element also), but I doubt if it is possible to properly talk about a purpose of religion per se.

By the way if the origins of religion have such a secular origin (i.e. by pre-dating any revealed truth) that in no way invalidates or diminishes religion in its many modern guises.
 
Al-(with apologies to everyone on the face of the earth since I'm going to piss all of you off right now)

I did not mean to impune Dexter's statement. I merely wished to defend the concepts of faith and spirituality.

Call that my opinion of what the purpose of religion SHOULD be then. I base that opinion on what Christianity is supposed to be, so I suppose my opinion is biased in faovr of that faith. I freely admit to this bias. I will state for the record though, that I have examined the teachings of other religions, and in all cases, found them to be far less useful to the needs of the spirit than Christianity. Besides, 'love thy neighbor' seems like a pretty good philosophy to me. If we all did that, this world would be a far better place.

Most of them are openly nihilistic(Confucianism) or hedonistic(Mormons), many glorify violence(Islam) or entail large-scale disenfranchisment of a portion of the population(esp Islam vs women, and Hinduism with its caste system). Those that remain either tepidly embrace an insular philosophy(Zen), or worship forces of nature(paganism/animism).

Atheism, as I said before, is a complete waste of time. In fact, it is a misnomer, since it should really be called autodeism or egoism (worship of self), as it places its practicioners at the center of their own little universe. Any honest atheist should be a hedonist par excellance, and live in utter disregard for the rights of anyone but themselves. After all, if no one is watching, and the conscience is a learned trait, why practice any form of self-restraint? Atheism is the true religion of Self. I find it highly likely that all serial killers, whatever they may claim in interviews for sanity hearings, are true atheists, dedicated to hedonism and egoism to their very core. Well, at least they are honest enough to practice what they preach, you gotta hand 'em that.

Of the many flavors of Christianity, many don't even base themselves on the Bible, and almost none practice what they preach. The great thing about Christianity is that its manual contains troubleshooting guidelines. There are passages that describe how to tell a false doctrine from a real one, and how to sniff out apostasy.


Dogberry-
If the only thing I am ignorant of is American political figures, then maybe I'm not as bad off as I thought, spiritually speaking. Thanks for the encouraging news.
 
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