What is your religion?

Wath are your religion?

  • Atheism (don't belive in any god).

    Votes: 59 36.4%
  • Baha'i Faith

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Christianity

    Votes: 69 42.6%
  • Confucianism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hinduism

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Islam

    Votes: 10 6.2%
  • Jainism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Judaism

    Votes: 5 3.1%
  • Shinto

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (Sikhism, Taoism, Vodun (Voodoo) or any other)

    Votes: 18 11.1%

  • Total voters
    162
Originally posted by Algernon Pondlife

Dexter was referring to the idea (speculation, if you like) that the origins of religion lie in attempts to explain things beyond their understanding. To me this would suggest that these were very intelligent people tackling difficult questions in an innovative way. This is a plausible idea and some people are probably highly convinced by it, but of cours it would be very difficult to prove, even in a non-rigorous manner.


You seem to have little faith in your ancestors ability, besides just look at Ancient Greek God's, God's of fire and the like.


I'm not convinced by your description of the purpose of religion. I can see that it may well be true for your specific religion, but it does not seem to relate so clearly to at least some other religions where more emphasis is placed on worship or transcendence or personal redemption.


Modern religion's were born from these simple doctrine's of the ancient world's perception of life. Christianity and Judaism have things in common with the ancient Babylon's.
Here is the story told by the Babylon's...
One of their God's Enlil sent many plagues to earth to kill the Human's but they continually survived so he decided to send a great flood. But one god called Enki told a man named Atra-Hasis to build a great boat and bring two of every animal on board. So he did and he survived the floods.
This story is basically the story of Noah's ark with a few changes.

Now as you will know the Jewish faith was born around the mediterranean where the great Babylon's lived, Jews were born from the Babylonian faith, Christians were born from the Jewish faith and Muslims were born from both Christianity and Judaism (I know this because Muslims and Jews have the same prophets, i.e. Jacob and David). I think that proves my point that modern religion birthed from the beginnings of old religion's.


Originally Posted by Shaolin
I am by no means a pacifist, nor do i support the killing of innocent people, I am not a Christian, Muslim or Jew. And in being neutral and having no biased toward any religion what-so-ever, I can honestly say that most religion has been responsible for more murders than anything else in history.

You hit the nail on the head Shaolin.

Well I hope I answered your questions clearly,
Dexter
 
Dex--
Actually, you raise more questions than you answer, in my case.

I'd like to know what credentials you have in the way of dead languages, ancient chronology, archaeology, and related fields, that you can make such blanket statements without even offering documented evidence. I'll waive all such requests if you can provide proof of ownership of a working time machine, naturally. :lol:
 
Dexter,
I haven't a clue what you are talking about. I was addressing points made by FL2 not you.

I thought my phrase "very intelligent people" would indicate what I thought of our ancestors.

I can't for the life of me see how your second para relates to what I said. You seem to be talking about evolution of religious ideas, I was talking about purpose of religion.



FL2,
the magic word "should" makes all the difference of course. I have no problem accepting anyone's desire to channel something religion or anything else) towards a goal, it seems utterly natural.

The belief that there is no such thing as a supreme being in no way implies selfishness or self-worship. That is not a logically tenable position. However if you are of the opinion, as some people are that the human psyche "needs" something to worship/revere/obey or whatever, then I have to hope that the religion you have found is sufficient for your needs.

Humanity exhibits the conflicting traits of selfishness and co-operation in a peculiar confused mix. If the balance swings too far towards selfishness then civilization may well crumble dramatically (although not necessarily the species) and if it goes too far the other way then we may lose the drive that has built our world and civilization may gradually ossify and then decay.

When I look at the whole of religion and the whole of recorded history I see no firm evidence that religion (and even more any specific religion) per se has done more one way than the other. It seems to me that in most cases people have moulded religions around their perceived priorities.

There is no evidence from your posts that you have more self-love than many other posters here. Nor is there evidence to suggest that others who have claimed to be atheists are less sensitive to the community than yourself. In short There are good and bad people in the world and religious beliefs or the lack of them do not correlate to that classification.
 
Sorry about that Algernon but I didn't seem clear to me, I thought you were still talking about what I said.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2

Dex--
Actually, you raise more questions than you answer, in my case.

I'd like to know what credentials you have in the way of dead languages, ancient chronology, archaeology, and related fields, that you can make such blanket statements without even offering documented evidence. I'll waive all such requests if you can provide proof of ownership of a working time machine, naturally.

I researched this from a book I have. In this book it has the story of Atra-Hasis, Enki and Enlil. It is not denying your Religion to believe that it was born from others.
Judaism was founded in the Babylonian area, if you want proof of that read it up in the old testament, as you will see it all began in Ur.
At this time everyone worshiped many different God's but the founder of Judaism, Abraham, was told by his God to take a holy journey to the promised land which would be his. The rest I feel is irrelevant. But as you will see from the journey he took he passed through the city of Babylon and lived in Ur. Most likely his faith had strong roots in Babylonian faith.

You would be a fool not to believe that Christianity was born from Judaism. As Jesus Christ himself was a Jew.

Now for Islam. Islam was born in Arabia but its founder, Muhammed, had taken beliefs from Judaism and Christianity. In the Jewish faith they believe a saviour will come, Christians believe he already has, but Muslims don't believe he has come. They see Jesus as a prophet like Muhammed but they believe Muhammed was the true messanger.(I'm not so sure about what they believe Muhammed was, as I don't know as much as I should about Islam.)

I've done my best to explain and no doubt you'll find a mistake in what I wrote, I hope you do! Everyone has a right to their beliefs and this is mine.
 
I gotta hurry, Jag is starting.

My objection to your assertion that Judaism had its roots in Babylonian mythology stems from the fact that Baal like to have babies tossed in bonfires, wheras the God of my fathers was, if a bit stern, at least just.

I gotta go. More on this later.

Ok, Jag is over(Obviously, edited to continue after JAG).

Ok, I got some information from 'a book', and according to it, men starting calling on the name of Jehovah in the time of Adam's grandson Enosh. It does mention that Noah and a few others 'walked with the true God', so obviously other gods were worshipped as well, but clearly Judaism did not devolve from these other religions.
 
Originally posted by Dexter
Now for Islam. Islam was born in Arabia but its founder, Muhammed, had taken beliefs from Judaism and Christianity. In the Jewish faith they believe a saviour will come, Christians believe he already has, but Muslims don't believe he has come. They see Jesus as a prophet like Muhammed but they believe Muhammed was the true messanger.(I'm not so sure about what they believe Muhammed was, as I don't know as much as I should about Islam.)

I appreciate your nonconfrontational post :).

First of all, i'd ask that you not say things like "Muhammed had taken beliefs from Judaism and Christianity.". Saying things that cannot be confirmed by fact will just ask for equally unfactual responses.

FWIW, Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified just that his death was made to appear so. We believe that Jesus will return & rule over what will the best era before the final day.

We believe in all the prophets & believe that Mohammed was the last of them. The people who followed Judaism before Christianity & Christianity before Islam were also on the right path.

Anything else ?
 
Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
Wath are your religion?



If you would like to read about different religions look here:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/var_rel.htm



You list being an Athiest is an option.

An athiest is someone who will not accept any god till he/she experiences it.
So you assume we will all be enslaved by religion at some point.

You assume much, I for one will never accept religious fairy tales invented in man's dark age.

Not all are into religion, you are making sweeping assumptions...
 
Curt Sibling said:
"An athiest is someone who will not accept any god till he/she experiences it.
So you assume we will all be enslaved by religion at some point. "

Heh, heh. Well, when Jesus descends onto earth at the head of Jehovah's army, and destroys the forces of Satan at Har-Mageddon, I have little doubt that you and the other atheists will get all the proof you need. Unfortunately, I don't think that will help you very much, since you've been ignoring prophecies that are coming true as we speak for the last half-century or so.

Let's see, quick re-cap...

The nation of Israel is no longer cursed by god to wander homeless, as their sentence of exile runs out circa 1950 (it was a 2500 year sentence, and started about 550 years before Christ's birth). 23 years later, a pseudo-world government uproots the Palestinians from the land they've lived on for fifteen centuries, and returns it to the nation of Israel.

"And he broke open the third seal, and a great wind arose, and smashed a third of the ships at sea, and a third of the port cities were laid waste." Ships and ports are frequently used to allude to trade in the Bible, and 'a third' is used symbolically to represent a large portion of any whole. If the last few years don't count as a serious blow to the economy, I don't know what does. It even seems to be continuing to get worse.

"Nation will rise against nation..." Need I say more? Well, just in case...since the establishment of that self-aggrandizing multi-headed organization called the UN, created to foster peace in the world, the earth has seen 3 weeks in which no nation was egaged in armed conflict against another, or against armed insurrectionists within its own borders.

"Children will turn away from their parents..." Now I know you're going to say that kids have always rebelled, but if you think about it, you'll know that that 'revolt' has never been anything like what we see today. Kids used to run a little wild, nowadays they are nihilistic, self-serving, amoral, and anti-social to a degree hithertofore unheard of. So don't even tell me that we're not seeing anything unusual.

Now those are just prophecies that have already come true. I'm sure you're wondering, 'But what about stuff yet to come? What else does your silly book predict?'

Well, look for the Beast of Apocalypse (that 10-horned, 7-headed monstrosity that constantly spouts grandiose claims, IE the United Nations) to throw down and make barren it's rider, the Whore of Babylon (IE false religion, you know, bathes in the blood of the innocent by encouraging both sides in wars, see WWII for full details).

What that means is that at some point in the near future, say a decade tops, religion is going to lose most of its protected status. Say, aren't we taxing churches in the US now? How much longer will the Vatican be hoarding its Nazi gold?

Islam is just the first shot in the war on religion. World opinion against Islam is already at an all-time high. Judaism, thanks to Israel's mind-boggling stupidity in fanning the flames of anti-Semitism by ignoring all attempts at peace-making in the region, is in a close second. Once those two are firmly smacked down, the Vatican will likely be the next target in the cross-hairs, and all that Nazi gold will be taken, by force if need be, and a great many old Catholics in fancy pants arrested for harboring war criminals, or at least post-humously charged with the crimes. From there it won't be long until just about every religion goes on the executioner's block.

Truly, the whore of Babylon will become naked and barren, with her fleshy parts (money and real estate) devoured by the Beast (siezed by the UN).

Huh, well, that wasn't so quick. Sorry.
 
I am a Christian and have been for 15 years. I am saved by faith through the GRACE of God. I believe in JESUS CHRIST the son of God. I believe that Jesus Christ died on an old rugged cross for my sins. He arose again from the grave VICTORIOUS over death.
I still make mistakes for I am not perfect, the Lord is slowly changing me and will continue to do so. One day, one glorious day he will return!!!! This world didn't accept Jesus so why should it accept me? Because of the way I act, behave , and the way I believe I am different than the "normal" American society.
I pray that all of your hearts will be convicted and your eyes open to the realization that Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD to the Glory of God the Father.
 
Why is there no option for agnostic. I believe in some form of God but I am not that sure, hence me being an agnostic. This has the advantage of decreasing the risk of me choosing the wrong religion (if there is such a thing) but is better than athesist because it you can't win without entering the game.
the "normal" American society.
I didn't know there was a normal American society. Isn't it a melting pots of ethnicity, religion, creed, beliefs, sport team affilication, political viewpoints, backgrounds, etc. Isn't that the point in a "free" society, difference.
(that 10-horned, 7-headed monstrosity that constantly spouts grandiose claims, IE the United Nations
I don't know a lot about prophecies or who made them and their validity. But how you got 10-horned, 7-headed monstrosity to mean the United Nations baffles me. If the words 10-horned and 7-headed monstrosity are in the prophecery doesn't that mean they have some revelance to what is being predicted. Now I also don't know a lot about the United Nations but it is not a 10-horned, 7-headed monstrosity, it is a world organisation to try and bring peace. Also what are its grandiose claims? world peace? thats not a claim thats a hope. And if we can't hope then what kind of world are we living in?
"Nation will rise against nation..."
You mean there will be war?!?! I think ever since a human attacked another human there has been some form of war. To predict future war is like predicting that at some time in the future you will die or that you will pay some kind of tax. You can interpret pratically any prophecery and claim that is fore-told past events. What about the propheceries that were false? Why didn't you post one of them? Because it wouldn't fit your theory. A good scientist doesn't find a theory and then makes the evidence fit. They find the evidence then look for a theory.
, I can honestly say that most religion has been responsible for more murders than anything else in history.
Many people say this but I can't help but disagree. The thing that has caused more wars than anything else is, land. Most religious wars are fought over land.
in other countries don't people who don't believe in god celebrate christmas?
This may be controvestial (but that hasn't stopped me in the past) but Christmas is not a religious holiday. Like many Christian holidays it was originally celebrated for different reasons. If you think about this it makes sense. In the beginning Christianity was a minor religion so they make their holidays match more popular religions. So that somone could easily convert from one to the other. Christmas was originally Winter Solistice (probably spelt wrong), a celebration held on the shortest day on the year (22th December) to mark the beginning of the end of winter. This also makes sense since in those times most people grew their own food. Winter being the season where little grows it is easy to imagine why farmers would celebrate its demise. Also wasn't Jesus born (using own calender) on 15th September because the guy who made up the modern calender got it wrong. However that may not be true, it was just something I had heard and I wondering if anyone else had heard it and could elaborate on it.
 
Most of the aspects of Christmas and some of Easter are Pagan. Hence I celebrate Christams. Never really like Easter other than hard-boiled eggs drowned in salt.
 
Originally posted by scorch
scary thought.... According to Christianity, half of the people here are going to hell.

Yeah, and the French get to live next to the Germans :flamedevi
 
Originally posted by Dexter


Thou Shall Not Kill. Christians KILL thousands of Muslims!!

IIRC, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is a mistranslation. Its really "Thou shalt not do murder." And Homicide and Murder are different things.
 
Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
I am mad at a bunch of damn hypocrites who kill, maim, and slam everyone else in the name of some worthless superstition that they happen to call religion. Then we go around saying how wonderful it is that they believe in something akin to an old wives tale that was created millenia ago in order to answer the question of why the sun comes up and why you shouldn't hit your neighbor over the head with a stick (didn't work did it). Belief in such crap in the year 2001 is evidence that a hell of a lot of our society is totally dependent on a crutch to get through life. Why don't we just legalize heroin and shove 'em all in closet to mumble prayers to empty space.

Thats funny... I have the same idea about technology. If you ask me, technology is the great lie of the world. Relgion is not, regardless of whether god exists, Religion can provide a very real and very comforting sense of belonging and peace of mind. Maybe I am the only one here who thinks this, but I do not really believe that 'advancement' has made us happier. They have just made us miserable in a different way. Not that we have much choice anyways, once you are exposed to it, its hard to go back. Which is the reason that I have a computer. Its a love/hate relationship. I want to talk to people and share ideas, but I keep wondering whether or not its really worthwile, you know? Wouldn't we all be happier playing outside with friends and family?

To change your statement around a bit, I could say that "Belief in such scientific nonsense in the year 2001 is evidence that a hell of a lot of our society is totally dependent on a crutch to get through life. Why don't we just legalize heroin and shove 'em all in closet to mumble prayers to empty ideas.
 
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Let's assume (for me that is :) that god exists and that someone could prove that to me. )

I would fear/disrespect him (or her, it, whatever), not worship him. Disrespect Cuz, god with this enormous power still let's all this pain exist. And fear him cuz, if I displease him he will send me to hell.

Only because he as infinitive power does not to me excludes him of responsibility about what we do. Like a parent has responsibility over their kids.

On another point, I can't see why I as an atheist have to be selfish? Could someone with that opinion please explain that so I can correct my living? Wouldn't want to go around being an atheist in the wrong why now would I.

btw, being an atheist I just can't lose when it comes to dieing.
 
Originally posted by Ed Hunter


IIRC, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is a mistranslation. Its really "Thou shalt not do murder." And Homicide and Murder are different things.

Extra! Extra!

'Killing Not Against Rules Say Experts'

Whew, don't I feel better.

I belong to the Church of Latter Day Darwinists :goodjob:
 
Originally posted by Ed Hunter


Thats funny... I have the same idea about technology. If you ask me, technology is the great lie of the world. Relgion is not, regardless of whether god exists, Religion can provide a very real and very comforting sense of belonging and peace of mind. Maybe I am the only one here who thinks this, but I do not really believe that 'advancement' has made us happier. They have just made us miserable in a different way. Not that we have much choice anyways, once you are exposed to it, its hard to go back. Which is the reason that I have a computer. Its a love/hate relationship. I want to talk to people and share ideas, but I keep wondering whether or not its really worthwile, you know? Wouldn't we all be happier playing outside with friends and family?

To change your statement around a bit, I could say that "Belief in such scientific nonsense in the year 2001 is evidence that a hell of a lot of our society is totally dependent on a crutch to get through life. Why don't we just legalize heroin and shove 'em all in closet to mumble prayers to empty ideas.

Ed Hunter,
You can say what you wish, but it is humans and their outdated
Views on religion that causes the greater pain in the world.
Without science your faith would still have us in chains.

Tough luck, science won the race.
You cannot hold back knowledge and discovery.
Religious leaders would like to keep humanity in ignorance,
To make us easy to terrorise and control...it won't happen.

So sit and dream, and by all means have your faith,
We, who have learned to see through the lies, will move on
And leave you dreamers behind.

Hope your faith helps you when you need medical treatment
Or need your computer fixed? I suppose 'evil' science isn't needed then?

:rolleyes:
 
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