What makes a Christian a good Christian?

[MobBoss]

The thing is that i was attempting to question you on whether David Sinned due to being wealthy and selfish and unwilling to share and you avoided that subject.

Because you were unclear in what you were saying. Davids sin was lust. Not greed.

So to converse , stop avoiding the subject and tell me how do you interpret the " The one who has two chitons shall give one to the man who has none"

I see it as saying if you have a spare coat, give it to someone who doesnt have one.

 

[scy12]

Because you were unclear in what you were saying. Davids sin was lust. Not greed.



I see it as saying if you have a spare coat, give it to someone who doesnt have one.

Because you were unclear in what you were saying. Davids sin was lust. Not greed.

You do not consider the fact that he was wealthy but he chose not to share with the poor as a sin ? Or as Greed and selfishness ?

I see it as saying if you have a spare coat, give it to someone who doesnt have one.

I don't think it is talking only about coats but in regard of everything one has more than he needs.

And i don't think one should misinterpret it any differently . It is pretty clear , having more and not giving them to others is a sin , period.

 

[MobBoss]

You do not consider the fact that he was wealthy but he chose not to share with the poor as a sin ? Or as Greed and selfishness ?

Again, the bible is rife with lessons on how the faithful are rewarded monetarily. In fact, the priciple of tithing is based upon the fact that one will reap far more than what they give. Is one greedy to receive such wealth from God?

Again, Davids great fall from grace had nothing to do with money, although he was extremely wealthy. Again, it was lust that did him in, not greed.

I don't think it is talking only about coats but in regard of everything one has more than he needs.

Well, the translated word does indicate a garment does it not?

And i don't think one should misinterpret it any differently .

Then dont.

 

[Bill3000]

Do middle class people and some upper class people have an obligation to give the money of other middle class people and other upper class people to the poor?

Actually I got a better answer for that: Yes.

Main points: Promotion of human dignity through just distribution of wealth. Present inequality creates a decline of morality as shown in alcohol consumption, prostitution, and divorce. Workers have basic human rights that adhere to Natural Law, which says all humans are equal. Rights include the right to work, to own private property, to receive a just wage, and to organize into workers' associations. Employers and employees each have rights and responsibilities: while the worker should not riot to create a situation of conflict with the employer, the employer should maintain an environment respecting worker's dignity.

The church has the right to speak out on social issues. Its role is to teach social principles and bring social classes together. The state's role is to create a just society through laws that preserve rights.

There's plenty of other Catholic teachings on these issues.

As for the answer to the thread, it's quite obvious: A good Christian is, by definition, a saint. It's not simply a matter of "being nice"; it's a matter of being Holy.

 

[CCA]

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats; 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 For I was hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 Naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal.
Mathew 25: 31-46

 

[LucyDuke]

Well, cake can 'taste' good. But I dont think cake can 'be' good in the same manner a christian is a 'good' christian.

See, there you go! A Christian can be a good Christian! The good in good Christian doesn't have to be the same good as in good God, just like the good in good cake doesn't have to be the same good as in good Christian.

Or are you trying to say Christians taste good?

Better than pagans, but not as good as Mormons.

(A cake can also be pretty, or healthful. Those are other ways cake can be good.)

Emulate Christ in all that you do and keep him in your heart and mind constantly.

See, that's what I was looking for in the first place. Thank you for answering my question.

 

[JollyRoger]

The athiests.

Shouldn't you be trying to convert us?

Or are you trying to say Christians taste good?

As a Christmas day treat for my lions, it depends. Gotta stay away from the Dobson and Falwell variety with too much fat. As a Friday or Saturday night trip to third base, it depends on the vintage.

 

[MobBoss]

Shouldn't you be trying to convert us?

Thats what the inquisition is for.

 

[Zarn]

Actually I got a better answer for that: Yes.




There's plenty of other Catholic teachings on these issues.

As for the answer to the thread, it's quite obvious: A good Christian is, by definition, a saint. It's not simply a matter of "being nice"; it's a matter of being Holy.

Let's see the infallibility.

Thats what the inquisition is for.

You don't get those. At least, we don't let you have those for very long.

 

[El_Machinae]

As for the answer to the thread, it's quite obvious: A good Christian is, by definition, a saint. It's not simply a matter of "being nice"; it's a matter of being Holy.

I'm not sure of the definition of saint, but (like I've said before) you can be faithful enough to perform miracles but still not be accepted into heaven. And, heck, I'm not even faithful enough to get mountains to move.

 

[LucyDuke]

As for the answer to the thread, it's quite obvious: A good Christian is, by definition, a saint. It's not simply a matter of "being nice"; it's a matter of being Holy.

What definition are you talking about?

 

[Bill3000]

Let's see the infallibility.

Irrelevent. You wanted an obligation, you got it - I got a teaching straight from the Church. It doesn't have to be infallible - infallibility deals with theological matters, not practical ones.

What definition are you talking about?

The true one. For 2000 years saints have been held up as examples of Christians that are close to God, and people who have made it to heaven through their own good works instead of having to go through the fires of Purgatory. It's the christian idea that it is possible to align one's motives and actions with the will of God makes one more perfect and holy, and that it is possible in life to approach perfection.

I'm not sure of the definition of saint, but (like I've said before) you can be faithful enough to perform miracles but still not be accepted into heaven. And, heck, I'm not even faithful enough to get mountains to move.

Why do you think sainthood requires a miracle, then?

 

[LucyDuke]

The true one.

The true definition of what?

 

[Bill3000]

The true definition of what?

of a good christian, dodo-head!

 

[LucyDuke]

of a good christian, dodo-head!

What dictionary did you find that in?

 

[Bill3000]

What dictionary did you find that in?

any?

from dictionary.com:


1. any of certain persons of exceptional holiness of life, formally recognized as such by the Christian Church, esp. by canonization.
2. a person of great holiness, virtue, or benevolence.


edit: woops. Forgot. a saint is someone that is in heaven. A good christian is someone that acts like a saint.

 

[philippe]

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats; 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 For I was hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 Naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal.
Mathew 25: 31-46

I think CCA won this thread.

 

[LucyDuke]

any?

from dictionary.com:


1. any of certain persons of exceptional holiness of life, formally recognized as such by the Christian Church, esp. by canonization.
2. a person of great holiness, virtue, or benevolence.


edit: woops. Forgot. a saint is someone that is in heaven. A good christian is someone that acts like a saint.

No, I think that's the definition of saint.

There are no dictionary entries for good christian, but good, christian are spelled correctly.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

As long as good and Christian are spelled correctly, that's all that matters.

 

[Lillefix]

Any conclusion yet?