What the hell is wrong in South Africa?

The ones who have stayed behind are not exactly defenseless. They have heavily invested in gated communities and private security. I can only imagine they are personally well-armed, although I don't know anything about gun laws in South Africa.
 
The ones who have stayed behind are not exactly defenseless. They have heavily invested in gated communities and private security. I can only imagine they are personally well-armed, although I don't know anything about gun laws in South Africa.
There are some 3 million registered firearms in South Africa and probably five times more unregistered, although that is just my guess.
 
I am suggesting that whites raping blacks was likely quite commonplace when the whites were in control of the country. It certainly happened in the US with great frequency up until the 60s. Rape a black woman and nobody said a word. Rape a white woman and a word was rarely spoken. A black rape a white woman and it was a lynching whether it was true or not.
Ah, I see. Well, the prevailing idea here seems to have been one of disgust for black people... (This is purely conjecture, but) I can't see white Afrikaans men raping black women, the same way I can't see white Afrikaans men raping apes.
There is also some evidence of white racist mass hysteria regarding this issue in SA at the moment:

http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-i...dent-on-corruption-and-rape-charges_1219.html
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...Dude. WTH. That is such BS. I have never seen a white South African home with a "fortified rape room" with "armored doors". Furthermore, carjackings rarely include murder, and I have never heard of "a home invasion of twenty or thirty armed Bantu who loot the home, drink all the liquor they can find and then burn the house to the ground."

The writer is obviously pants-on-head ********. "One of the most technically and socially advanced societies in the world"? HAHAHAHAHAHA

And no way are Afrikaaners native to Africa. Yes, it's our only home - but we took it from its rightful owners.
Well, about a million have left between 1995-2005, many settling in Britain, Australia (I hear Australia, especially Western Australia, is popular with many white South Africans leaving) and New Zealand. Most of those leaving too are between the ages of 20 and 40 -- the most economically active population.

Interestingly, the number of blacks seeking emigration has also doubled since 1995.
This is true. Australia is a highly popular destination for South Africans, to the extent that Afrikaans profanities are (apparently) well-known there.
 
...Dude. WTH. That is such BS. I have never seen a white South African home with a "fortified rape room" with "armored doors".

Quite, unless they live in a police station or a bank. :lol:

Furthermore, carjackings rarely include murder, and I have never heard of "a home invasion of twenty or thirty armed Bantu who loot the home, drink all the liquor they can find and then burn the house to the ground."
I think that's more of a Transvaal thing. :lol:

And no way are Afrikaaners native to Africa. Yes, it's our only home - but we took it from its rightful owners.
The previous owners also took it from someone else too -- the Bantu didn't arrive in modern day South Africa until sometime around 1000 AD, if memory serves correctly. :D
 
The previous owners also took it from someone else too -- the Bantu didn't arrive in modern day South Africa until sometime around 1000 AD, if memory serves correctly. :D
I am well aware - didn't say who the rightful owners were, did I? :)
 
amadeus said:
Well, about a million have left between 1995-2005, many settling in Britain, Australia (I hear Australia, especially Western Australia, is popular with many white South Africans leaving) and New Zealand. Most of those leaving too are between the ages of 20 and 40 -- the most economically active population.

Interestingly, the number of blacks seeking emigration has also doubled since 1995.

Is another reason why those secessionist bastards in Western Australia shouldn't be part of Australia (and they can take the Northern Territory with them), I like my minerals money :mischief:
 
Ah, I see. Well, the prevailing idea here seems to have been one of disgust for black people... (This is purely conjecture, but) I can't see white Afrikaans men raping black women, the same way I can't see white Afrikaans men raping apes.

I really doubt they are the only people in the history of the world to not take advantage of defenseless women, even (especially?) if they hated them.

...Dude. WTH. That is such BS. I have never seen a white South African home with a "fortified rape room" with "armored doors". Furthermore, carjackings rarely include murder, and I have never heard of "a home invasion of twenty or thirty armed Bantu who loot the home, drink all the liquor they can find and then burn the house to the ground."


My point exactly. At least some of this fear seems to be fueled by white racism. But if one in 3 women are getting raped each and every year, why aren't all the white people fearing it as well? Are they immune to it? Is this almost completely a black phenomenon?

...And no way are Afrikaaners native to Africa. Yes, it's our only home - but we took it from its rightful owners.
I certainly wish all white South Africans felt that way.
 
Formaldehyde said:
I certainly wish all white South Africans felt that way.

Some of the natives were fairly recent blow-ins...
 
There have been about 1000 rapes in SA since RRW posted this article.
Back-of-the-envelope, anyway.

Another thousand. I can't even find a Cdn registered charity that would DO anything about this Marie Stopes Int'l isn't registered in Canada. I don't really have my finger on the pulse of feminist political movements.

I hope someone in CFC knows of a proper charity for someone to help via.
 
It's culture, that is what people are saying.

It's worse than that. Sure, culture is ultimately to blame, but the problem is that modern South Africa is unwilling to fight the unacceptable parts of their culture. Instead they embrace those aspects as good; see the joke that is their new president.
 
Central and eastern european are trying to make us think that their countries are a beakon of respect towards women and that all the "feminist" BS is not for them. Now I have a very hard time believing this when one third of women traffiking comes from eastern Europe. When a society is so permissive when it comes to "selling" its own women as prostitues and sex slaves, I think that indicates that generally women are considered very low and rape must be a "no issue". You don't see that in the official statistics? well, I am not surprised, in a country where women can be "sold", what kind of interest do you think a "rape" would trigger among people? nada.

I never said anything about "East Europe" neither did Winner. He was commenting on Czech Republic and I was on Slovenia. Those two countries were not mentioned in the article and are nowhere to be found in any similar top-ten lists. Both countries have less people under poverty line than US and woman easily find better sources of income.

If Ukraine and others weren't so poor, believe me, they wouldn't have high rape numbers either (Yugoslavia btw doesn't exist anymore, and most trafficking comes from Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo, both under protection from UN (read: western capitalism)).

Under communism everybody had to be equal. And except in politics, everybody was pretty much equal. Those didn't want to be equal were simply removed.

Back on topic. I think rape is not one of Western society's biggest issues. Yes, it would be better if there were no rapes at all, but there are other issues that need more of our attention. Finalization of emancipation process is one of them. We have to absolutely put in practice notion that men and women are different but equal.
 
If anyone can think of a charity organisation that can help blunt this atrocity, bump the thread to let me know, please.
 
From today's CNN

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (CNN) -- Alexandra township, north of Johannesburg, is a densely populated melting pot with some of South Africa's worst social ills: poverty, unemployment, HIV/AIDS and crime.

Andile Gaelesiwe was raped twice before she was 20 and is now trying to change the culture in South Africa.

A recent survey by the Medical Research Council of South Africa, a statutory government funded body, found that one in four South African men has raped at least one woman in their lifetimes. And that nearly half have raped more than one woman.

We talked with some Alexandra Township men who openly admitted they have raped and speaking to them it became clear that at the time they committed the crime they did not see it as wrong.

They have grown up watching male members of their community treat women with contempt, they told us.

Beating women, raping them and treating them like second class citizens -- that is what they have grown up believing was the right way to treat females.

One of the men -- whom CNN agreed not to name -- told us that he and three friends gang-raped a girl they met a party. Watch the men describe their attacks

"With me it was not a problem," he said, "but when I went to the bathroom having to find the third guy busy with her it was like I had a problem because she was crying, she was not happy."

His friend added: "I would tell myself that there is nothing I want in life that I can't get, even a beautiful woman because when you try your luck with them, their response makes you feel like you are nothing. That's why we decide to do things like this, having sex with them forcefully."

The men we talked to have all spent time in jail but have never been convicted of rape.

Zwelithini Sono, a former defense lawyer who now helps rape victims, says he has never lost a rape case.

"Police inefficiency, criminal justice backlogs, ill prepared prosecutors who in some instances are really not sensitive about the cases and the kind of trauma that the victims are normally exposed to, and the time that it takes between arrest and the prosecution or even finalization of these cases is really too much for some of the victims to even be able to stay in the system and ensure that they finally get the justice," said Sono.

He says he reached his breaking point in 2005 after securing yet another acquittal for a rape suspect -- who then admitted to a friend that he committed the crime.

Sono now provides legal assistance for rape victims and counsels young men about the seriousness of violence against women.

He says apartheid is partly to blame for the way young men in South Africa have been socialized. It institutionalized violence, broke up homes and left boys without good role models to teach them right from wrong, he said.

"There has not been enough conversations with men to try to sensitize them on the violence of rape, how sensitive women are and the kind of love that we can actually share."

Andile Gaelesiwe is a rape victim who is also trying to change the culture by encouraging women to speak out.

She was raped by her father at the age of 11 and again by a taxi driver in her late teens. She says the stigma and shame of rape is what forces most women including herself to keep it a secret.

She said: "It's usually somebody that you know -- an uncle, a neighbor -- and therefore families would rather say, 'What are people going to say if we turn around and say Uncle-so-and-so did it? Let's rather we shut up about it.'

"Other families, especially in the rural areas, will go as far as saying the accused's family or the actual accused pays some kind of damage to this family as if to say that this girl who has been raped will now be healed because the two families have had an understanding."

She publicly revealed her experience in 2003 when a caller to the radio station where she worked threatened to kill herself after being raped.

Attitudes may take years to transform but both Sono and Gaelesiwe are among South Africans trying to turn the tide of abuse.

"There can be a change of mind-set. If we put processes together, there will be a battle that we are going to win, and that is to provide our women and children with the best support, with love that they wish for each and every day," Sono said.

The South African government's efforts to deal with the scourge have been criticized as uncoordinated and unsustainable. They include establishing courts sensitive to sexual violence.

It is a battle government alone will not be able to win and hence the importance of involvement by people like Sono.

The young rapists we met have attended Sono's session and they tell us they do not see themselves violating women ever again.

"One thing that especially us black people need is studies about humanity," one of them said, "so that I can see my sister as my sister and let not that thought come into my mind."

They now believe that part of the answer lies in women being strong enough to face their accusers in court.

But in South Africa this takes courage and is even harder when a victim does not have support from her family or community.

According to the latest police statistics 36,190 women were raped between April and December 2007 -- more than 130 rapes a day.

But these were the reported cases. Human rights activists believe the majority of rapes in South Africa go unreported
 
This is true. Australia is a highly popular destination for South Africans, to the extent that Afrikaans profanities are (apparently) well-known there.

'Tis true (the first bit anyway- I don't know about the profanities). My minister (a former apartheid era army chaplain) and his family immigrated from South Africa (East London) about ten years ago, for a better life/future, despite their consequential reduced wealth.
 
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