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[das]

If its just after Versailles, you should fix Hungary. They still control Slovakia, and are fighting the Czechs and the Romanians (the latter took Debrecen).

 

[Insane_Panda]

Alrighty. Ill do that after Russia.

 

[silver 2039]

What about the various European spheres of influenece in China? In India the Portoguese held Goa and the French Pondicherry.

 

[Insane_Panda]

I havent added those yet aswell. Note - china is a republic now too.

 

[alex994]

What about the various European spheres of influenece in China? In India the Portoguese held Goa and the French Pondicherry.

On the contrary silver, after the Boxer Rebellion, US Secretary of State Hay demanded that the Open Door Policy be implemented and it was agreed (even if rather reluctantly) by the European Powers and Japan.

But then again, the source i have contradicts other sources...

 

[silver 2039]

Secretary of State John Hay sent (1899) notes to the major powers (France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, Japan, and Russia), asking them to declare formally that they would uphold Chinese territorial and administrative integrity and would not interfere with the free use of the treaty ports within their spheres of influence in China. In replying, each nation evaded Hay's request, taking the position that it could not commit itself until the other nations had complied. However, in March 1900, Hay announced that the powers had granted consent to his request. Only Japan challenged this declaration, and the Open Door became an international policy.

Manchuria (Left to Right Inner, Outer, Upper or Russian)Northeast China

After the Boxer Uprising, Hay dispatched (1900) a similar circular note.

Two years later, the U.S. government protested that Russian encroachment in Manchuria was a violation of the Open Door. When Japanese replaced Russian influence in Southern Manchuria after the Russo-Japanese War (1904-5) the Japanese and U.S. governments pledged to maintain a policy of equality in Manchuria. In finance, American efforts to preserve the Open Door led (1909) to the formation of an international banking consortium through which all Chinese railroad loans would be made. The United States withdrew in 1913, asserting that the consortium violated Chinese administrative integrity.

The next violation of the Open Door policy occurred in 1915, when Japan presented to China the Twenty-One Demands. That incident led (1917) to another exchange of notes between the United States and Japan in which there were renewed assurances that the Open Door would be respected, but that the United States recognized Japan's special interests in China. The Open Door principle had been further weakened by a series of secret treaties (1917) between Japan and the Allies, which promised Japan the German possessions in China.[/QUOTE]

It seems to me that the European powers did'nt really give up there spheres of influence much. It seems Japan and Russia simply moved in.

 

[alex994]

Feh, i'm spamming and it was concluded online

 

[das]

Okay, here is a first version. I'm not very sure about the Far East. I also did a few changes in Hungary and Turkey, though I forgot some now that I thought of it...

 

[Insane_Panda]

Thanks Das, now to put cities on the sucker and then we're done.

 

[WarlordMatt]

Okay, based on Panda's map (with das' revisions) I came up with this basic nation list:

Portugal

Spain

France

United Kingdom

Ireland

Luxembourg

Belgium

Netherlands

Germany

Switzerland

Austria

Italy

Denmark

Norway

Sweden

Finland

Czechoslovakia

Poland

Hungary

Yugoslavia

Romania

Bulgaria

Albania

Greece

Bolsheviks

Denikin's White Russians

Kolchak's White Russians

Lithuania

Latvia

Estonia

Ottoman Empire

Georgia

Armenia

Azerbaijan

Persia

Saudi Arabia

Hejaz

Asir

Yemen

Ethiopia

Liberia

South Africa

Afghanistan

Nepal

Bhutan

Siam

China

Japan

Canada

United States

Mexico

Guatemala

El Salvador

Honduras

Nicaragua

Costa Rica

Cuba

Haiti

Dominican Republic

Venezuela

Colombia

Ecuador

Peru

Brazil

Bolivia

Paraguay

Uruguay

Argentina

Chile


Comments? Suggestions?

 

[ThomAnder]

Well, after WWI it's mainly japan left whose dominant in the far east. The other nations would've been too exhausted by the great war. Also china was unified under a republic by then.

 

[fantasmo]

*Spews blood*

Matt! You forgot the only important country! AUSTRALIA.

 

[silver 2039]

Well, after WWI it's mainly japan left whose dominant in the far east. The other nations would've been too exhausted by the great war. Also china was unified under a republic by then.

Britian, Portogul, and Japan still held colonies there I believe. Not sure about France.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Maps almost done, cities have been filled in everywhere except asia. Shall give it to you tomorrow in the morn'. *tips hat*

 

[Jason The King]

Britian, Portogul, and Japan still held colonies there I believe. Not sure about France.

Weren't the French still in vietnam even after ww2? (the Vietnamese fought the French before Americansin the fifties, right?)

 

[silver 2039]

Weren't the French still in vietnam even after ww2? (the Vietnamese fought the French before Americansin the fifties, right?)

Yeah they were. I think at this point the French may still hold Kunming or they might have lost it.

 

[das]

Warlord, you forgot

Ukraine (Petlyura - he is allied with Denikin who occupies much of his country, but his forces are still holding out in Western Ukraine, and he historically made several comebacks from there even after 1919)

Semenov Clique (from which Sternberg, one of the most insane people of the 20th century, seceded before conquering Mongolia)

 

[Dachs]

Weren't the French still in vietnam even after ww2? (the Vietnamese fought the French before Americansin the fifties, right?)

Dien Bien Phu.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Indeed. 1954 I think it was, when the Viet Minh beat the French at Dien Bien Phu.

 

[Gelion]

Has anyone reserved White Russia?