What's so good about Civ2?

[small lawe]

I'm actually 16 and not a technophobe. I do think new technology is great but I don't need it to entertain myself.

 

[Elys]

I prefer Civ II over Civ III/IV for:

-Because it can run simply in a window , small program, so I can do something else on the computer while waiting for the other players to finish their turn.

-I don't like all the new features, such as religions etc added with the sequels. I started Civilization with Civ 1 and I love it the way it was/is. Civ II is just like Civ 1 with better interface and better multiplayer support without changing most of the original rules. There is stuff I like in civ III; like more than 7 civilizations etc that I wish Civ II would have. However the PRO does not compensate for the CON for what I'm seeking in Civ.

- I like Civ in 2D, not in 3D. Also I find the 2D view more appropriate for big wargame where i can have a quick synthetic view all of my units in a single look on the world map without fancy stuff around. I don't care much about the GFX, it's not what make Civ fun for me ( My pc can run fine civ III or civ IV, it's not a matter of hardware)

 

[marciv]

Us 'oldies' just want a little help from you young un's, it's not that we're technophobic or whatever, it's just that when I was at Primary school we were equipped with a slab of slate wood framed slate and some chalk. I think I can speak for most of my generation in that we all love to see new technology but have difficulty in fully understanding it. It's a case of old dog and new tricks etc, nevertheless people like myself (mid 50's) love to see technological development and are sometimes frustrated and limited by our own limitations.

 

[Georilla]

No, I think he's old. Just old people are technophobic.

Rofl, thats a very bold statement.

Anyway I've been reading every post in this thread with care, my conclusions are that it seems to be going nowhere . Also, everything has been said. No one forces someone to play something he doesn't like.

I started playing games when I was 5,5 years old (1998) and I haven't experienced CIV2.

Yet, I decided to play CIV2 from the dust just a while ago because my parents played it and they experienced the very start of gaming -- the very simple games and software and the total anarchy (kinda) on the first slow internet.

CIV2 seems a enjoyable game if you don't compare the graphics with the graphics from these days. Simple, effective and nice (except for the rather dumb AI). I can't judge CIV4 yet (only the demo) until next week.

 

[againsttheflow]

I prefer Civ II over Civ III/IV for:

-Because it can run simply in a window , small program, so I can do something else on the computer while waiting for the other players to finish their turn.

If your computer is high end enough you can do that on civ III too.

- I like Civ in 2D, not in 3D. Also I find the 2D view more appropriate for big wargame where i can have a quick synthetic view all of my units in a single look on the world map without fancy stuff around. I don't care much about the GFX, it's not what make Civ fun for me ( My pc can run fine civ III or civ IV, it's not a matter of hardware)

Civ III is 2D and there is a way to just see units on the map.

Civ II is a great game but if you give the others time for a learning curve you might find you like them too. Still, everyone has their own tastes.

 

[Elys]

By curiosity, is there a modification of Civ III that remove/disable all the Great People, New elements of Culture, Nationality and the Arts so the gameplay will be more close to Civ II while keeping some of the good stuff of Civ III ?

I remember seeking for such long time ago, but maybe one was made since ?

 

[Swedishguy]

By curiosity, is there a modification of Civ III that remove/disable all the Great People, New elements of Culture, Nationality and the Arts so the gameplay will be more close to Civ II while keeping some of the good stuff of Civ III ?

I remember seeking for such long time ago, but maybe one was made since ?

There are Great People in CivIII...? You've got stuff to explain.

 

[againsttheflow]

By curiosity, is there a modification of Civ III that remove/disable all the Great People, New elements of Culture, Nationality and the Arts so the gameplay will be more close to Civ II while keeping some of the good stuff of Civ III ?

Out of curiosity, what's left?

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

There are Great People in CivIII...?

Yeah, Scientific and Military great leaders. Military leaders build Armies. Scientific leaders are -supposed- to increase empire-wide scientific output by 20-25%, but a bug in the code actually impedes research. Both can hurry city production.

I take it you haven't played Civ3?

 

[Swedishguy]

Yeah, Scientific and Military great leaders. Military leaders build Armies. Scientific leaders are -supposed- to increase empire-wide scientific output by 20-25%, but a bug in the code actually impedes research. Both can hurry city production.

I've used Military Leaders, but I'm afraid I've never heard of Scientific ones. Is that something from Conquerors expansion? I can't find anything about them in Play the World.

I take it you haven't played Civ3?

Guess again.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

I've used Military Leaders, but I'm afraid I've never heard of Scientific ones. Is that something from Conquerors expansion? I can't find anything about them in Play the World.

I believe so, yes. They're enabled through game options, the last option in the bottom-right corner.

Guess again.

Ahhhh, a toe-in-water kinda guy?
I kid, I kid.

 

[Crowqueen]

Well, I like them both. Civ IV for me is a little unstable (so much so that I save every turn and after anything happens in late game when there is a lot happening on-screen) and I still have Civ II/ToT (which I have open now) which is a little slower than Civ IV when you compare the two but still a lot more stable. I have Civ III on order which should be the best of both worlds.

As regards graphics over gameplay, I'd say that playing a high-end game with a 3D engine and then going back to isometric build is a little disappointing but then again I love the Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale series immensely (combined BG1 and CivII ate up a good proportion of my finals year at university, I still wonder how on earth I got a 2:1 out of it...!!!) because my computers are bought for internet use rather than gaming.

So I suppose I would have to admit that going backwards to Civ II is something I'm only really doing for nostalgia's sake (and because it is easier to attack other civs than having to get round the intricate diplomacy) and once I have Civ III I might find that it is better to stick with that compromise option rather than put up with constant CTDs when the screen gets busy. And I don't think I used ToT for anything other than playing Civ II with "better" graphics, so I am interested in exploring the aliens and "levels" and fantasy civs as well as playing vanilla Civ IV.

**shrugs** Horses for courses.

 

[Civinator]

By curiosity, is there a modification of Civ III that remove/disable all the Great People, New elements of Culture, Nationality and the Arts so the gameplay will be more close to Civ II while keeping some of the good stuff of Civ III ? I remember seeking for such long time ago, but maybe one was made since ?

Elys, great that you are still around in these forums. Civ 2 Unlimited was a great project!
And now, what I find so good about Civ 2 (ToT) yet:

1.It´s a lot of fun to play and to mod Civ 2.

2.Civ 2 is 2D

Compared to the following versions of Civ, Civ 2 is easy to understand and easy to mod, especially the unit graphics. When I open the 3d-graphics of Civ 4 with the DDS Converter, I get sick. I can´t paint these graphics and I don´t like most of them.

3.The performance of Civ 2 is very quick and stable on my pc and laptop.

4. Civ 2 ToT has relative easy to do events.

This is a great feature, I was always missing with Civ 3. Can´t say anything about modding events for Civ 4, as modding Civ 4 for me is next to useless cause of these ugly 3d graphics I could never get rid of.

5. Civ 2 ToT has multiple maps.

This is a feature no other version of Civ has.

6. Lot of graphics between Civ 2 and Civ 3 are interchangeable.

Here is a link to Civ 2 graphics used for the earth map of my epic mod for Civ 3:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4863067&postcount=15

And here is a link to Civ 3 units, that can be used animated for Civ 2 ToT:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=169829

(Most units currently are on page 2 of that thread).

 

[Swedishguy]

BTW, I don't want people to perceive me as a progessionist that hates everything old. I think Battlefield 1942 is as good as Battlefield 2, for example.

 

[small lawe]

Sorry, but BF2 is better then BF1942 (not meaning to start another argument). Gameplay is much more fun on BF2

 

[Swedishguy]

Sorry, but BF2 is better then BF1942 (not meaning to start another argument). Gameplay is much more fun on BF2

The vehicles are few and soulless, there are fewer airplanes, there are more than five classes (which is ********). Exactly how is the gameplay better? Explain.

 

[small lawe]

(not meaning to start another argument)

I like the different classes more choice and more variation in the battle, not just an army of assaults and anti-tanks. You must play different tactics with all the different classes and work together with the different classes to win.
Yes, I shall agree there aren't as many vehicles but the ones there are available are still good. Now can we go back to what we're meant to be talking about?

 

[Theov]

The best things is that is that Civ2 lacks the complexity of Cov3 and Cov4. Yet is is addictive like Civ1.
It brings long games where you have many more freedom than 3 and 4. 3 and 4 punish you for expanding.
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I'm a warmonger.
I've played 2 way after 3 was released. Then I switched to 4, but I didn't like it.
Now I play 3 and 1.

 

[Swedishguy]

The best things is that is that Civ2 lacks the complexity of Cov3 and Cov4. Yet is is addictive like Civ1.
It brings long games where you have many more freedom than 3 and 4. 3 and 4 punish you for expanding.
.
I'm a warmonger.
I've played 2 way after 3 was released. Then I switched to 4, but I didn't like it.
Now I play 3 and 1.

As I've said before, you really picked the wrong franchise. Go play RTS games if you hate complexity.

 

[Theov]

As I've said before, you really picked the wrong franchise. Go play RTS games if you hate complexity.

Nah, civ3 is just right.