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What's wrong with Islam?
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CurtSibling
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I'm with you, my friend!
I'll grab some beers then warm up the F117!
Archbob
Ancient CFC Guardian
There is nothing wrong with the religion. Do not make the mistake of identifying terrorism with islam.
I, myself, am not of any particular religion.
I, myself, am not of any particular religion.
G-Man
A One Man's War
Again, I say the the problem, in my opinion, is more with Islamic culture then with islamic religion. And this culture is so united that trying to bring it to this century is almost hopeless. If the US will reward moderate islamic states terrorists will still see it as working against them as these countries aren't strictly religious. The US gives Egypt 2 billion $ a year but still many Egyptians join Bin Laden.
"If the US will reward moderate islamic states terrorists will still see it as working against them as these countries aren't strictly religious. The US gives Egypt 2 billion $ a year but still many Egyptians join Bin Laden."
Yeah but how much of the 2 bil filtered down to the ordinary ppl. I think the problem has also something to do with all these crooked and oppressive Arab govts. Like my own country, Msia, which is democratic and Islamic but non-Arab, and had never received anything fr the US (sometimes is an outspoken critic of US policies), well we don't have that kinda problem. Except for a few brainwashed morons that is ... but generally no.
Yeah but how much of the 2 bil filtered down to the ordinary ppl. I think the problem has also something to do with all these crooked and oppressive Arab govts. Like my own country, Msia, which is democratic and Islamic but non-Arab, and had never received anything fr the US (sometimes is an outspoken critic of US policies), well we don't have that kinda problem. Except for a few brainwashed morons that is ... but generally no.
Cilpot
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Yeah.. But if U read the bible thoroughly theres a lot of information there that is disregarded these days because the church follow the times we live in... Thats my point... It developes..
CurtSibling
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The weird thing is see about religion as a whole is why we still
have it? In the distant past man needed to invent explanations
why nature presented things like mortality, storms, disease and
good harvests, etc.
So they invented religions and ceremonies to try and
commune with some all-controlling "spirits"
Today's various major religions developed from these traditions
and still use the same naive human failing the there is some
"god" or "prophet" who will guide the fervent masses.
Now in the modern age people still cling to ideas that are relevant
today as the chariot is to an armoured division.
I find the concept of fervour of some god as silly as getting excited
over the easter bunny or santa claus...This is the 21st century!
Why can't humanity become mature?
have it? In the distant past man needed to invent explanations
why nature presented things like mortality, storms, disease and
good harvests, etc.
So they invented religions and ceremonies to try and
commune with some all-controlling "spirits"
Today's various major religions developed from these traditions
and still use the same naive human failing the there is some
"god" or "prophet" who will guide the fervent masses.
Now in the modern age people still cling to ideas that are relevant
today as the chariot is to an armoured division.
I find the concept of fervour of some god as silly as getting excited
over the easter bunny or santa claus...This is the 21st century!
Why can't humanity become mature?
andycapp
Grumpy Old Griper
I have found this thread is an interesting, pertinent and necessary discussion given the atrocities committed in New York and Washington.
The question ("what is wrong with Islam?") is one that will hopefully be increasingly asked by muslims themselves and then, perhaps, we will all be on the road to a more sane and peaceful world.
I thought this article in today's Melbourne 'Age' (newspaper) by Salman Rushdie would interest the readers of this thread
www.theage.com.au/news/state/2001/11/06/FFX1WH04NTC.html
The question ("what is wrong with Islam?") is one that will hopefully be increasingly asked by muslims themselves and then, perhaps, we will all be on the road to a more sane and peaceful world.
I thought this article in today's Melbourne 'Age' (newspaper) by Salman Rushdie would interest the readers of this thread
www.theage.com.au/news/state/2001/11/06/FFX1WH04NTC.html
I am not sure at all, but I think the Koran calls the jewish people 'Pigs' and also mentions that whoever fights and acts against the heretics will be rewarded in heaven.
Again, im not sure, but I think I read about that, dont get mad at me if it turns out that im wrong.
Maybe there is nothing wrong with the Original Idea and Concept of Islam, but a lot of todays Islamic countries are very anti-western in a hell lot of aspects, education and culture.
I don't recall such public and gov't supported inciting education such as in a big part of Islamic countries.
Maybe the problem lies there.
Again, im not sure, but I think I read about that, dont get mad at me if it turns out that im wrong.
Maybe there is nothing wrong with the Original Idea and Concept of Islam, but a lot of todays Islamic countries are very anti-western in a hell lot of aspects, education and culture.
I don't recall such public and gov't supported inciting education such as in a big part of Islamic countries.
Maybe the problem lies there.
Also, a few days after the beggining of the war in afghanistan CNN or some other news channels interviews a pakistani female student, that said: "I will always support the taliban because only them are real muslims".
And she was a female well aware of how the taliban treats women, and she was also well aware how the taliban treats anti-western terror. Does todays Islam puts religion above all, therfor above any sort of human rights or freedom?
And she was a female well aware of how the taliban treats women, and she was also well aware how the taliban treats anti-western terror. Does todays Islam puts religion above all, therfor above any sort of human rights or freedom?
NO - there is a problem with Islam.
One major flaw of Islam is that it is intollerant of non-believers. Even in Malaysia which is suppposed to have a secular government, malays who choose not to be muslims and their famalies are ostracised from the malay community. There are islamic police who catch malays who drink at pubs or buy lottery tickets etc. The secular label comes from the fact that the Chinese and Tamils are allowed to do whatever they want as long as they do not try to convert muslims. Islam as a whole is still much like the Roman Catholics during the middle ages.
There are no Christian countries, only secular states where a majority of people are christians. Laws are also not made according to the bible. The bible says that women must obey their husbands and cannot divorce them.
Ephesians chapter 5: Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Colossians Chapter 3: Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
But I don't see this being enforced in any laws. There are also other passages about marrying your brother's widow that are not enforced. That is because the Church is seperate from the state- and rightly so.
In Islamic states, there is a seperate power base based on religious leaders which constantly undermine the authority of the government (if it hasn't already overthrown it like in Iran). This constant struggle between two powers is the root of all Islam's problems. Islam as it is now is inward looking and concentrates on controlling its existing bases of followers. Christianianty concentrate on expanding their followers (even in non-christian countries) through charity and missionary work.
One major flaw of Islam is that it is intollerant of non-believers. Even in Malaysia which is suppposed to have a secular government, malays who choose not to be muslims and their famalies are ostracised from the malay community. There are islamic police who catch malays who drink at pubs or buy lottery tickets etc. The secular label comes from the fact that the Chinese and Tamils are allowed to do whatever they want as long as they do not try to convert muslims. Islam as a whole is still much like the Roman Catholics during the middle ages.
There are no Christian countries, only secular states where a majority of people are christians. Laws are also not made according to the bible. The bible says that women must obey their husbands and cannot divorce them.
Ephesians chapter 5: Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Colossians Chapter 3: Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
But I don't see this being enforced in any laws. There are also other passages about marrying your brother's widow that are not enforced. That is because the Church is seperate from the state- and rightly so.
In Islamic states, there is a seperate power base based on religious leaders which constantly undermine the authority of the government (if it hasn't already overthrown it like in Iran). This constant struggle between two powers is the root of all Islam's problems. Islam as it is now is inward looking and concentrates on controlling its existing bases of followers. Christianianty concentrate on expanding their followers (even in non-christian countries) through charity and missionary work.
BigBirdZ28
Fundamentalist in a Z28
I'm not going to respond to any of these posts, because almost all are just childish.
G-Man, let me know when you would like me to start a "What's wrong with Judaism" thread.
G-Man, let me know when you would like me to start a "What's wrong with Judaism" thread.
BigBirdZ28
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Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).'
The Holy Quran, 3:64
Whoever is intollerant, its not because of their religion, it could be because of a whole number of things.
I remember a few hundred arabs/muslims were battered & harrassed by America's Consitution after 911.
G-Man
A One Man's War
You can do it when:
- Jews will be encouraged in sinagouges to kill themselves in the name of god and take thousands of non-jews with them.
- When Israel's goverment will say that killing civilians is an acceptable way of resistance
- When Jews will terrorise dozens of countries
- When Israel wil support terror orgenizations that fight it's enemies.
- When Jews will force goverments to support their religion by bombing their cities.
- When Israel will be condemned and ignored by Jews from other countries for signning a peace treaty with muslim states.
CurtSibling
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"My Gods bigger than your God! Nyah nyah!"
Oh please.
This thread is heading towards childishness on all fronts.
Will humanity ever ditch this insanity, religion?
Not while it is such a good validation for ingorance and violence...
Oh please.
This thread is heading towards childishness on all fronts.
Will humanity ever ditch this insanity, religion?
Not while it is such a good validation for ingorance and violence...
You said in your first post that it was not a thread against Islam as a religion or against muslims. Nevertheless, according to your criteria to start such a thread, that sounds a lot different. But of course, a lot of your best friends are muslims.
If you know what is wrong with islam, (cf your criteria) then why do you ask the question? Do you want to teach us or something?
BigBirdZ28
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- Jews will be encouraged in sinagouges to kill themselves in the name of god and take thousands of non-jews with them.
Militant Israelies are already kill Palestinians while they pray in their mosque.
- When Israel's goverment will say that killing civilians is an acceptable way of resistance.
Israel's Government is already killing innocent civilians. Were any of the assasinated Palestinians tried in court ? No, so Guilty until proven innocent.
- When Jews will terrorise dozens of countries.
Israel already spys on theirr best friend the US, carry out bombing runs into other countries when they see fit, did I forget Tanks infront of schools & soilders monitoring bread lines ?
- When Israel will support terror orgenizations that fight it's enemies.
Mosad.
- When Jews will force goverments to support their religion by bombing their cities.
Sinai ?
- When Israel will be condemned and ignored by Jews from other countries for signning a peace treaty with muslim states.
Some are already condeming Israel for using Judaism's name to steal land.
Militant Israelies are already kill Palestinians while they pray in their mosque.
- When Israel's goverment will say that killing civilians is an acceptable way of resistance.
Israel's Government is already killing innocent civilians. Were any of the assasinated Palestinians tried in court ? No, so Guilty until proven innocent.
- When Jews will terrorise dozens of countries.
Israel already spys on theirr best friend the US, carry out bombing runs into other countries when they see fit, did I forget Tanks infront of schools & soilders monitoring bread lines ?
- When Israel will support terror orgenizations that fight it's enemies.
Mosad.
- When Jews will force goverments to support their religion by bombing their cities.
Sinai ?
- When Israel will be condemned and ignored by Jews from other countries for signning a peace treaty with muslim states.
Some are already condeming Israel for using Judaism's name to steal land.
CurtSibling
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Look you two, (G-man and Bigbirdz28)
It won't pay to start arguing about Islam vs Judaism here.
This argument has no conclusion, just endless bickering.
So save yourselves the trouble, eh?
I think boths sides are as bad as each other.
It won't pay to start arguing about Islam vs Judaism here.
This argument has no conclusion, just endless bickering.
So save yourselves the trouble, eh?
I think boths sides are as bad as each other.
BBz28, the question that was raised here is why terror grows so much on islam than on other religions, and is there something with this specific religion wrong that makes people moral values of human life lower in the 21th century while in all other religions its not like that, mostly.
But you went and made it an anti-islam thread.
Stop being so childish, no1 said one religion is better than the other.
If you want to flame a judaism-islam war go do it on someplace else, that wont work here.
But you went and made it an anti-islam thread.
Stop being so childish, no1 said one religion is better than the other.
If you want to flame a judaism-islam war go do it on someplace else, that wont work here.
