When to build culture buildings?
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FeiLing
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Monuments always. ASAP. Rest depends on difficulty settings and winning plan mostly. If you plan to win before the industrial age, then you probably shouldn't build any more (maybe some temples, maybe not). The maintenance isn't that much of a problem imho... the time needed to build them rather is though.
KokeenoPokameso
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I agree with the above post. When I build a new city I generally try to have enough gold in my to purchase a monument in order to expand the borders as soon as possible. Building the other cultural buildings is a tough call; they just take way to much time and resources to build and don't do enough to be immediately useful. Then again being stuck in the later ages with only a small number of policies can be difficult. It's a matter of balancing short term and long term goals. cultural building shouldn't be neglected but they don't have to be a priority.
Monuments: That's the first building I was build.
(Exception: If I conquer a city and annex it, I'll rush a court house that turn)
Temples: Very low priority (when neither going cultural nor choosing Piety).
Generally Libraries, Market Places, and Universities are more important.
But if your planning on having Tradition as your second tree you may sometimes want to complete Temples (and Monastaries) in your first four cities and have the tech for Opera Houses before choosing Legalism. (You'd then want to get some Banks up ASAP to pay for the maintenance)
(Exception: If I conquer a city and annex it, I'll rush a court house that turn)
Temples: Very low priority (when neither going cultural nor choosing Piety).
Generally Libraries, Market Places, and Universities are more important.
But if your planning on having Tradition as your second tree you may sometimes want to complete Temples (and Monastaries) in your first four cities and have the tech for Opera Houses before choosing Legalism. (You'd then want to get some Banks up ASAP to pay for the maintenance)
WeaselSlapper
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Normally monuments are a high priority for me and to keep new policies coming on a regular basis and allow for faster boarder expansion normally temples are medium priority (but if a city can build a monastairy instead of a temple I'll build that). Aside from that I don't build any other culture buildings.
I'll add to the don't neglect temples crowd. If I'm not going culture vic I consider them a 'second tier' building, after the food, science and production buildings are done. The temples really help to keep you getting policies at a decent rate. Sometimes I'll ally a cultural CS for strategic reasons (to get a lux or protect a flank) and then I'll lag a little on temples depending on how big my empire is.
As for maintenance, yes they are expensive, but if you wait until you're close to or already have markets it is not too much of an issue. Really early temples can kill you financially if you're not prepared, and often in cultural games I'll run a deficit between Philo and Currency.
As for maintenance, yes they are expensive, but if you wait until you're close to or already have markets it is not too much of an issue. Really early temples can kill you financially if you're not prepared, and often in cultural games I'll run a deficit between Philo and Currency.
Pangea, domination(immortal or below) : Monument in capital. That's it. Otherwise i build monuments everywhere. Temples help to maintain a good happiness and culture rate for intercontinental warfare when i go for piety where it can take a bit more time to clear the warpath.
I rarely build temples for any other types of victories. Exceptions for Egypt and Songhai. An early cultural cs can do the job most of the time.
I rarely build temples for any other types of victories. Exceptions for Egypt and Songhai. An early cultural cs can do the job most of the time.
Monuments i tend to build first in most cities. For the rest of my culture, unless i am going cultural or piety, i tend to use cultural CSs as my main source, only building temples if the city has nothing better to build then a temple is not a bad thing to have.
KokeenoPokameso
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Gold gifts to cultural city states will increase your overall culture accumulation thus help you get more policies but they will not help to expand the borders of the empire which IMOH makes cultural building in cities still quite important.
MadDjinn
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If you want SPs in under 20 turns/SP, then build more culture buildings. If you don't care about 'more' SPs, don't build them.
getting them for border expansion can sometimes be ok, but that only works 'well' if you grab the tradition opener and/or Ankor Wat.
getting them for border expansion can sometimes be ok, but that only works 'well' if you grab the tradition opener and/or Ankor Wat.
For my small empire strategy, I like to have 4 cities with everything up to opera houses built, and then use legalism to get free opera houses.
I find it important to rush specialist buildings in my capital asap and manage the slots to multi pop several GPs, my other 3 cities just focus on culture and science buildings.
Social policies are important for me even on science wins, I want to max out Liberty, Freedom and either Rationalism or Piety asap.
I find it important to rush specialist buildings in my capital asap and manage the slots to multi pop several GPs, my other 3 cities just focus on culture and science buildings.
Social policies are important for me even on science wins, I want to max out Liberty, Freedom and either Rationalism or Piety asap.
KokeenoPokameso
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Free Opera houses from legalism!! wow, I've always gotten legalism very early to get the most of that tree. I should definably try it your way sometime.
anandus
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Is there any other way?
Acoustics->legalism SP->Hermitage
A great combo
limitedwhole
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I suppose it depends who and how you play. I like to play George WAshington and go for the Liberty strategy. Given that I expand allot building early culture buildings isn't all that great. His tile purchase ability is pretty nuts so I don't really need to expand my borders. What I like to do is slow roll the liberty tree (Hopefully with a culture pop off an ancient ruins), then build monuments (maybe a monastery if I have th resources around) after completing the liberty tree or close to its completion. I use the monuments to get me into the commerce tree. Then pop build culture buildings. Due to the huge penalty I incur from having so many cities, only culture enmass really does much. Basically I build my culture in phases. I like to dabble in the trees.
I like doing the full liberty tree, the right hand side of the commerce tree, the left hand side of the science tree, and the right hand side of the freedom tree. Thats a total of 17 policies which a ton of expansion so you do need some serious culture buying. I try to always befriend or ally with the culture civs which can be expensive. I always build the Sydney Opera House.
Basically, I slow roll with low culture then have culture booms in stages to get me to the policies I want at the right time.
Brian
I like doing the full liberty tree, the right hand side of the commerce tree, the left hand side of the science tree, and the right hand side of the freedom tree. Thats a total of 17 policies which a ton of expansion so you do need some serious culture buying. I try to always befriend or ally with the culture civs which can be expensive. I always build the Sydney Opera House.
Basically, I slow roll with low culture then have culture booms in stages to get me to the policies I want at the right time.
Brian
I dont build Hermitage right away, too busy building Sistine Chapel / Porcelain Tower / Notre Dame around that time.
My main culture strategy focuses on multiple GP pops. I've learned how to pop all 4 GPs each time in the game, around 1-70 AD I have 1x Great Artist and Merchant, 3x Great Engineers (hagia sophia + liberty finisher), 2x Great Scientists (Porcelain Tower for the extra one). You can also do 4 Great Scientists instead with liberty + hagia sophia, or 5 with Babylon, but 3 early settled GEs are too powerful to miss out.
Due to playing Korea now, I settle every specialist I get and fill Freedom after filling Liberty and taking Aristocracy + Legalism after acoustics.
On emperor difficulty I only use 2 cities to keep up with wonderspam, up to king I can do wonderspam with culture win using 4 cities.
This is my 2 city Emperor strategy, fully mastered and perfected now:
Link to video.
4-6 cities King when I was still figuring it out:
Link to video.
I do require re-rolling maps until I have a flat riverside capital location with marble and some stone.
Build order in each extra city is Monument > Colloseum > Library > Granary > Temple > Watermill > University. I normally rush buy aqueducts and workshops and dont use city states, just build up my core 2-4 culture cities and win.
It doesnt work on Immortal.
