While We Wait: Part 6

[Symphony D.]

Let's try and cool the flames a little, we don't want to have to repeat the original While We Wait's fate.

The only "flame" I have made here is to call my opposition a habitual liar--a charge which I have already elucidated on in the past. If you would like to continue to take him at face value that he's in the 99.9999th percentile of humanity for intelligence and earned a Ph.D at age 20 (or was "stoned" when he said it, for the lulz apparently), and was proud of a timeline that he somehow conveniently forgot he had not authored, then you may consider my invocation of his deceit as a "flame."

Otherwise, all we're doing is having a frank and civil airing of opinions of one another.

 

[Sheep]

Your assumption is that I value your opinion of me, or indeed, those of the people who would side with you.

My assumption is that you wont value the opinion but you will respond to it anyways giving me somethie amused with! Thanks!

It's no secret that I genuinely despise you, who you claim to be, and what you stand for, just as it's no secret that I'm no big supporter of Luckymoose either. I don't know what your point is.

My point is that their is despising someone and then there is attacking someone for no reason. What you have done is the latter

Your arguments need little attack to prove them insubstantial--I believe in economy of effort. Perhaps you have not noticed that with your history of being a pathological liar, nobody on this forum takes you seriously, and indeed several people do not come forward and challenge the things you say, but dislike you nonetheless? At any rate, your fan club is not any larger than mine.

Anyone who has strong convictions is bound to be disliked by some. I dont deny that, and I dont understant how you do not realise that. The point is that I am still friendly and civil towards people unless otherwise they attack me. I dont care if you love me, just that you treat me with respect.

With the arguments, yes fair enough you may think their are insubstanital.. However as a father of 3 and a wife, I lack the time to do the research into posts to descredit you and proove to you my points, or go to the lengths you choose to go to.

As for being a liar yes I lied about the masters thing, I admitted that but I really did it to just shut you up haha. Whether this makes me a pathological liar I dont care.

On the contrary, human society is built on primate dominance mechanics. We just like to wrap it up in a nice little nuanced gestures most of the time. I just have no compunction with exercising aggression to discredit misleading or harmful sources of information that are not taken seriously or held in high esteem to begin with. "Beating the dead horse," as it were. You happen to be one.

I feel very sorry for you if you feel that is the best way to get ahead and be loved by those who matter to you, (and note for further down the track I do stress those who matter for you). As for misleading or harmful sources, I do believe you would rather not admit that you could be wrong from time to time and refer to the above statement re. my family as to the reason why I do not go to such lengths to proove my point and once again stress that the primary function of my being on the NES forums is for fun, NOT what you seem to think it is: A simulation of a living world, with everything including the general-fun being surbodinated to it.

Nice cover for a lack of ability. I expect no less from someone whose chief avenue of attack is pop-culture psychoanalyzing pedantry.

Dismiss what is evidence from simple observations, if you will. I dont mind I dont claim to be a psychiatrist. Those are my opinions of you, nothing else but and I dont claim otherwise anywhere. As for lack of ability, sure if you believe it, I dont care, do so... it makes it all the more funny when you go to such great lengths to disprove what I know is right just through prior study and experience.

Once again I refer you to the family reason as to the reason behind this and not your hackneyed unrealised ideals.

Hey, I can play this game too! How's that Messiah Complex of yours where you can do no wrong and everybody is your buddy? How do you reconcile it with the fact a lot of people here don't talk with you very much or very often? How does the fact you once had to have somebody write orders for you to win a war, and have had around fifty dead games to your credit square with your opinion of your abilities? Your doublethink must be quite impressive. Care to share your secrets with the rest of us?

Do you seriously think that the only people I speak to on the internet are the Nesing variety? If thats the case for you I am really sorry to hear that. Once again I also point ahead where I take note that I know not everyone loves me... however I do remain civil and friendly towards them because it is the thing a gentleman does to those he associates with.

Do also take note that I do not attack you until you have attacked me. There is simply no point to, you have valid points sometimes, and I do agree with you on some issues like American politics as of late, however when you attack me personally, I no longer feel as though I should be civil and friendly towards you even though I dislike you, and thus this occurs. If you wish to prevent it from occurring look at what you say to me and ensure its not to be considered a personal attack. If it don't say it! Then I wont have to tell you where everyone can read what exactly I think of you, and then they can watch your vain attempts to dismiss it as pop-psychoanalyzing, when its simply my judgement of your character.

I don't take advice from people who have to lie to substantiate their existence, sorry.

Well in 25 years if we are still at this (which I devoutly hope not) then I will be the first to say 'I told you so'. Other than that I don't care what you do.

 

[Thlayli]

I'm not trying to contest the accuracy or lack thereof of any personal claims being made.

But it would be best to keep within the forum rules regardless.

 

[Sheep]

The only "flame" I have made here is to call my opposition a habitual liar--a charge which and was proud of a timeline that he somehow conveniently forgot he had not authored, then you may consider my invocation of his deceit as a "flame."

Where was I deceiving. Where did I write by Liam Maddrell or anything to that affect or say that I was proud of writing it. Yeah exactly, once again as always in your eternal crusade to try and discredit me, you jump to conclusions.

Otherwise, all we're doing is having a frank and civil airing of opinions of one another.

If thats what you call it, but I find jumping to conclusions and accusing people of things continuosly somewhat flame-like. We had a discussion like this a few weeks ago, is there a need for another one? Why do you need to bring these things up continuously? Its amusing, but at the same time one must question why you seem to be so fixated upon this.

 

[Stormbringer]

Edit: Nevermind. That was mean. Even if true.

 

[Symphony D.]

My point is that their is despising someone and then there is attacking someone for no reason. What you have done is the latter

Equivocation, fallacy of the single cause, false attribution, argument from ignorance, strawman. LOGIC ERROR

Anyone who has strong convictions is bound to be disliked by some.

Retrospective determinism, correlation does not imply causation, ignoratio elenchi, base assertion fallacy. LOGIC ERROR

dont deny that, and I dont understant how you do not realise that.

Argument from ignorance, strawman, false attribution. LOGIC ERROR

The point is that I am still friendly and civil towards people unless otherwise they attack me.

Argument from ignorance, false attribution LOGIC ERROR

With the arguments, yes fair enough you may think their are insubstanital.. However as a father of 3 and a wife, I lack the time to do the research into posts to descredit you and proove to you my points, or go to the lengths you choose to go to.

Red herring, psychologist's fallacy. LOGIC ERROR

As for being a liar yes I lied about the masters thing, I admitted that but I really did it to just shut you up haha. Whether this makes me a pathological liar I dont care.

Argument from ignorance. LOGIC ERROR

I feel very sorry for you if you feel that is the best way to get ahead and be loved by those who matter to you, (and note for further down the track I do stress those who matter for you).

Strawman, equivocation, non sequitur, psychologist's fallacy, argument from repetition. LOGIC ERROR

As for misleading or harmful sources, I do believe you would rather not admit that you could be wrong from time to time and refer to the above statement re. my family as to the reason why I do not go to such lengths to proove my point and once again stress that the primary function of my being on the NES forums is for fun, NOT what you seem to think it is: A simulation of a living world, with everything including the general-fun being surbodinated to it.

Red herring, psychologist's fallacy, argument from repetition. LOGIC ERROR

As for lack of ability, sure if you believe it, I dont care, do so... it makes it all the more funny when you go to such great lengths to disprove what I know is right just through prior study and experience.

Appeal to authority, red herring. LOGIC ERROR

Once again I refer you to the family reason as to the reason behind this and not your hackneyed unrealised ideals.

Ad hominem, red herring, psychologist's fallacy, argument from repetition. LOGIC ERROR

Do you seriously think that the only people I speak to on the internet are the Nesing variety?

Non sequitur, strawman, false attribution, begging the question. LOGIC ERROR

gentleman

Existential fallacy. LOGIC ERROR

Do also take note that I do not attack you until you have attacked me.

Fallacy of the single cause, false cause, equivocation. LOGIC ERROR

If you wish to prevent it from occurring look at what you say to me and ensure its not to be considered a personal attack. If it don't say it!

False compromise, strawman, appeal to ridicule. LOGIC ERROR

Then I wont have to tell you where everyone can read what exactly I think of you, and then they can watch your vain attempts to dismiss it as pop-psychoanalyzing, when its simply my judgement of your character.

False compromise, strawman, appeal to ridicule, psychologist's fallacy, argument from repetition. LOGIC ERROR

Other than that I don't care what you do.

as to the reason why I do not go to such lengths to proove my point

Self-contradiction, argument by verbosity. LOGIC ERROR

Where was I deceiving. Where did I write by Liam Maddrell or anything to that affect or say that I was proud of writing it. Yeah exactly, once again as always in your eternal crusade to try and discredit me, you jump to conclusions.

Would like comments on the two new timelines I posted on the Alternative History Thread..... I am quiet proud of these so far.

So you're just randomly proud for posting someone else's work? OK! Non sequitur. LOGIC ERROR

 

[Sheep]

What are you a computer now? Its right there in front of you. If you cant see it, whatever mate.

And Stormy, yes that was so true and is exactly what I have been saying all along with civility...


And Symphony I will have you know that to deny a gentleman's right to call himself such is a deadly attack on his honour. Thus I feel impunged and demand a full apology immediatley.

 

[~Darkening~]

Originally Posted by Dachs
What this kid said.

I resent that, considering that you're younger than me .

 

[Dachs]

I resent that, considering the reason you're younger than me .

I refer to Megas Alexandros, my father, my friends, and, hell, basically everybody as 'this kid'. What makes you so special?



EDIT: Sheep, what does 'impunged' mean? The Queen's English is quite a long way from what you're using, here.

 

[Symphony D.]

What are you a computer now? Its right there in front of you.

I said I like economy of effort. Why bother detailing what a sham you are when a little CTRL+C and CTRL+V can do all the work? You're a fraud, your contributions in all forms--even insults--are shoddy, and nobody of value takes you seriously. Whatever helps you sleep at night is your prerogative.

 

[~Darkening~]

Originally posted by Dachs
I refer to Megas Alexandros, my father, my friends, and, hell, basically everybody as 'this kid'. What makes you so special?

I have never seen you refer to anyone as "the kid" on the forum, which led me to the conclusion that you were making me special. Sorry. I'll be a better stalker next time and learn all your habits . And please, give me some time to edit my sentence together before you quote me .

And why would you refer to your father as 'this kid'? That honestly doesn't make any sense to me. D

 

[Sheep]

I said I like economy of effort. Why bother detailing what a sham you are when a little CTRL+C and CTRL+V can do all the work? You're a fraud, your contributions in all forms--even insults--are shoddy, and nobody of value takes you seriously. Whatever helps you sleep at night is your prerogative.

I would like to know what you term 'those of value' on these forums and question how you can deem to take such a haughty and superior attitude to the rest of us. Obviously this is a arbitary value that you have set to make you and a small clique of those who agree with everything you say, or near enough feel superior.

Now I hazzard to think that this distinction is in your mind and your mind alone, and while those who you feel also share this distinction with you in your mind do not feel the same way (even though in saying this they may dislike me on general principles, which is their perrogative and no hard feelings)

As for me being a sham, I find your arguments towards it laughable and misinformed to the extreme. I find it hilarious that you say my contributions in all forms are shoddy and I shall be reporting this to the mods within 10 minutes unless you give me an unequivocal apology. The very fact that I have created a nes and have made several posts, while they may not be to your tastes, is not to be despised. For all your talk of simulaisation I am yet to see you successfully run one.

Indeed I have probably partipated more than you have, and definitley longer than you have. I am nesing quite a bit, I count very few neses you are in. Mostly all I can see you doing is telling people how to run a simulationist nes and derriding those who have an opinion that dares to be different from the one which you hold.

Apology now Symphony. You have over stepped the line.

 

[Oruc]

So .... when is thanksgiving?

 

[Symphony D.]

Apology now Symphony. You have over stepped the line.

And here I thought we were doing the square dance! I would've dressed better if I knew Johnny Cash was involved.

You want to report me, go ahead. I can and have backed up my accusations. You also apparently aren't familiar with logic, as the premises state "In other words, for the conclusion to be true, at least one member of the class must exist, but the premises do not establish this." Nothing you said makes you a gentleman, sah, so save your pistols-at-dawn bravado for someone who gives a damn.

 

[Dachs]

Thanksgiving is a week from tomorrow.

I have never seen you refer to anyone as "the kid" on the forum, which led me to the conclusion that you were making me special. Sorry. I'll be a better stalker next time and learn all your habits .

Well ain't you just the creepiest Internet person.

And please, give me some time to edit my sentence together before you quote me .

Sounds like a mission for somebody who doesn't have insomnia.

And why would you refer to your father as 'this kid'? That honestly doesn't make any sense to me. D

I actually don't know. You are beginning to induce me to reexamine my life.

 

[Sheep]

And here I thought we were doing the square dance! I would've dressed better if I knew Johnny Cash was involved.

You want to report me, go ahead. I can and have backed up my accusations. You also apparently aren't familiar with logic, as the premises state "In other words, for the conclusion to be true, at least one member of the class must exist, but the premises do not establish this." Nothing you said makes you a gentleman, sah, so save your pistols-at-dawn bravado for someone who gives a damn.

Very well then.

 

[~Darkening~]

Originally Posted by Sheep
I would like to know what you term 'those of value' on these forums and question how you can deem to take such a haughty and superior attitude to the rest of us. Obviously this is a arbitary value that you have set to make you and a small clique of those who agree with everything you say, or near enough feel superior.

I was really enjoying staying out of this conversation, but this statement is basically screaming at me in irony. You're sitting here, accusing Symphony possessing a 'haughty and superior attitude'. Do I really need to step back a few pages where you, yourself, were doing the exact thing you now lament? You sit that and attack the word 'American', placing us a stereotype just because a fool is choosing to act his part. This isn't even the first time you have done such, and your history is quite well known. Then you add in all the private conversations you have had, in which every word that you utter is one boast or another. I agree that Symphony can be a tad strong sometimes, but you are one that is in no position to ever accuse him of having a "superior" attitude.

Originally posted by Dachs
Well ain't you just the creepiest Internet person.

And this is news to you how? .

Sounds like a mission for somebody who doesn't have insomnia.

Not for me, obviously. What are you doing up at 2:30 a.m.?

 

[Symphony D.]

The only 'miunderstandment' (misunderstandment is not an English word das) is that you continually feel like you can get away with belittling me. I would like you to remove the so called Sheep Syndrome from your orders and I would also like an apology for the offense you have caused.

I dont see where the misunderstanding is.

But I agree with you on one thing, enough is enough and once I have that apology and the whole Sheep Syndrome delted, you wont hear fromme about again.

Oh and that Goes for EVERYONE, I dont agree with the Sheep Syndrome, I never have and never will, and I would really appreciate it if all MODS that use rules copied from das if they would delete it.

Thank you.

F-F-F-Flashback Wednesdays! Somebody can't handle the idea of their own irrational behavior being used as an indictment of them! Invokes mods to settle grudges with factually substantiated examples of behavior! News at ten!

 

[Sheep]

F-F-F-Flashback Wednesdays! Somebody can't handle the idea of their own irrational behavior being used as an indictment of them! Invokes mods to settle grudges with factually substantiated examples of behavior! News at ten!

Thats going back like a few years ago... Yeah good one Symphony.

What he doesnt tell everyone is that is because at one stage das had written into the rules of his nes this whole 'Sheep Syndrome' thing of constantly changing governments. In fact there was one or two neses just prior to this where I intentionally changed government several times to disrupt the country and I could nes the aftermath then....

I fought against the Sheep Syndrome thing because it sounded like I did this all the time and really because das or anyone else never asked me before they named it such, which is standard practice.

@Darkening, how was I being superior before with the American stuff? I was being sarcastic at times and being tounge in cheek, but not haughty. I just wish you guys realised that you need to learn more of the world and take us non-American nesers into account when you set deadlines like Thanksgiving, which means something to you, but rather not a lot to me.

 

[Symphony D.]

I fought against the Sheep Syndrome thing because it sounded like I did this all the time and really because das or anyone else never asked me before they named it such, which is standard practice.

Mrm hrm, just like you're reporting me because I insulted your honor as a gentleman, not because I called you a liar and a thief, and proved it, and you just can't handle it. Yep. Notice Stormy there is the only person even attempting to defend you? Notice nobody defended you the last time? Why do you suppose that is?