*whining voice*"What about ___, it should be a civ"

[muppet]

Romanlegion:

You are entitled to your opinion, but you do not speak for the majority of Canadians. Canadian culture is NOT "mostly adopted from the US". The majority still use ZED, not ZEE. However, the qualifier is that the majority were not educated on Sesame Street as per your opinion. Were you? I used to be constantly corrected for both my ZEE and American spelling by my
Canadian friends -- to the point where I have learned to spell in Canadian (for the time being anyways, LOL).

American influence and mass immigration?
What kind of 'American" influence? I always thought I was one of few Americans that immigrated to Canada? At first I thought this was some sick punishment some vice-president thought of for my
many and varied disagreements with senior managment, then I realized that Canada is not all ice and snow. Heck, it didn't even snow here this year.

OUR people once had British Accent?
At one point in time as well, America was dominted by other accents if IRC. We hardly say we have become
Canadianized because we no longer speak with the accent of our founders.

"WE" listen to their music and radio programs...? WE watch CBC (Canadian) for news. WE watch CNBN Squawk Box (American) for
financial news and humor. WE read The Economist (European) for world wide economic gossip etc. There is a lot out there for those interested, or having reason to be interested in other than
uhm.... popular entertainment.

Our Industries are completed dominated by US and sport (Ice Hockey) has been Americanized?
YOUR Industries include companies that are NOT American owned. Some very large and successful American companies are owned by European or Asian parents. We do not say that America has become Japanesed (how do you say this?). WE do
not say that American entertainment has become dominated by Japanese culture just because Sony or whoever is the dominant
player. Canadian pro-sport has not become so much Americanized as it has become Commercialized. There is a
difference. America does not have a monopoly on the concept of
commercialization. Commercialization and corporation are more appropriately European influences.

Catch phrases and words unique to the US?
Well, if WE have adopted them, then they are not unique to the US are they? Do you mean words like "restroom" vs. "toilet"? Well, what Americans call a 'restroom" is what Canadians called
"toilets", uhm... ten years ago (when I first arrived here). YOU spin this like Canada is a big empty cultural space that they now use restroom instead of toilet. I could also spin this to say Canadians are more culturally aware and sensitive and choose to use restroom to accomodate their touristing neighboors since all
Canadians can use the words interchangeably, and our neighboors are not as able. The phrases "cotton candy" and "candy floss", or the words "sweets" and "candy" or "carousel" and "merry-go-round" etc. can also be spun
either way. Or how about "beaver"! I found that one absolutely hilarios... and no it is not American, but I think it should have been!! LOL.

Quebec has its own culture and immigration policy?
By definition then, western Canada is not Quebec culture, so it must have its own culture and immigration policies as well. No? The world is not exactly French-Canadian, or American, there are
shades in between like uhm.. English, German, Chinese??

Britney Spears is American culture?
Huh? Britney Spears is popular entertainment. Quite similar in all of western civilization. Just like, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, and Bryan Adams (I think) though Canadian, is popoular entertainment, NOT Canadian culture. In case you did not know, just because Ricky Martin, Kylie Minogue and U2 are not Canadian does not mean they are American either, LOL. Is your radio station playing American specific culture, or just pop-specific entertainment? Entertainment is part of culture, but hardly defines culture.

We are becoming completely Americanized?
YOU, and specifically you, may be in AWE of American achievements, and the American way of life, but your country,
as a whole, is hardly becoming Americanized. It is slowly, and
painfully slowly becoming globalized, like everyone else, but I do not for one minute mistake Canada for America. I would argue that in many ways, Hong Kong is more Americanized than Canada! Sometimes, I feel like I am working in white, english speaking Mexico.

Last Note:
Unlike, civliization, defining culture is quite a bit more complex. But if you read enough descriptions of the meaning of culture in this context, you get the impression that it is intended to define,
or provide a method of labelling or describing the beliefs, fundamental values, way of life, and behavior of a group of people. Then:

1. all western democracies, by definition are culturally similar,
2. all western nations must have unique cultural characteristics because of their particular legal code, among other things, that defines, limits, or promotes certain behaviours of its citizens.

This was not intended to be insulting. It is just my opinion that you may be critiqueing (sp?) the author for something he/she has every right to believe as a matter of fact rather than opinion. Although, the "retract that statement" thing does sound a little
harsh... LOL

 

[Toasty]

I think Sid Meier did a decent job making the civs. Considering there are only 15 attribute combination possibilities, he did a decent job of prioritizing and still being politically correct (which in marketing is a grave necessity). You guys should give him more credit.

 

[NY Hoya]

Muppet, very good points, perhaps you are the voice of reason at Civfanatics...Still, to deny the fact that Canada and the U.S. are becoming increasingly culturally intertwined may be to deny the truth. Yes, all western democracies share certain cultural characteristics, but the U.S. and Canada share many more than most. I would argue our cultures are much closer to one another than the German and French cultures, British and German cultures, and even British/Canadian. Part of this is a shared language, part of it is the proximity, but it is more than just that.

For example, I had an uncle with six children who moved his family to Canada, and then later, to the UK. His family found the move to Edmonton to be a virtually seamless transition. The move to London took a little more effort on their part before they felt comfortable. When i travel to Ottawa on business it feels a lot like I am visiting another part of the US. I certainly can't say the same about trips to the UK and the Continent.

I don't want to take anything away from Canadian culture as there are certainly differences between the American and Canadian cultures. Those differences do seem much smaller than the differences between other cultures, and they appear to be getting smaller at a faster rate.

 

[scorch]

Originally posted by RomanLegion
Quote /my picks:
Where does Canada fit? Isn't Canada, America's smaller neighbour? Do you consider Canada a seperate civ? I say Canada like Portugal is more like it's more powerful neighbour. Much of Canada's culture is adopted from the US(except for Quebec). The same thing goes for Australia/New Zealand, and Germany/Austria.

Now I am offended! Sure New Zealands a **** hole, but I will not put up with people who say that we are like aussies.

1. We do not drink VB here, its Tui all the way bro
2. We do not wear thongs, its jandals, and it was a NZ entreprenuer that made that company bro
3. Pavlova is ours bro
4. We don't speak funny like them bro
5. We don't play Aussie rules, its rugby all the way, yeah, they play rugby too, but we both got that from England.
6. We didn't get the grass skirts we run around with from them.

 

[muppet]

NY Hoya, you are of course correct. Reading my own post, I realize that in definding XP's position, I have failed to acknowledge the truth to Roman's statement. I think I type messages quickly like the way I talk, as if the party were directly in front of me. I better learn to type nearer to how I write reports or I'm going to cause some serious misunderstandings on the flaming threads.

 

[Octavian X]

The Incas should have been included over the Iroqouis. It is almost an insult to call it one of the minor tribes. They had a vast and well organized empire, complete with a 10,000 mile road system, through some of the tallest peaks in the Americas. There were able to terrace these peaks for farming, had a calendar, and a system of mathematics and writing. They had also invented the concept of the number 0 long before the Europeans.

The Mongols, to should have been included. At one time, they had the largest empire in land ever seen on earth!

One more thing, Joan d'Arc shouldn't be leader of France. At least, her title shouldn't be Saint, since only DEAD people are saints.

 

[rdomarat]

Originally posted by RomanLegion
One last rant!!! How many Canadians still pronounce the letter Z as Zed and not ZEEEEE as America's Seseme Street has taught us. [/B]

There's at least one. My last name has a Z in it, and if I'm spelling my name to an American, I'll use ZED a few times while they respond with "what?". After two or three attempts, I'll say "ZED, the last letter in the alphabet". When I taught the alphabet song to my kids, it was "W-X-Y and ZED", and I could care less whether it rhymes now or not!

Now excuse me while I go listen to some Stompin' Tom Connors and drink some beer.

 

[Salvor]

OK, I do miss the Celts from the original. They're just a personal favorite. I'm a bit surprised nobody else mentioned them, but not a lot. Maybe they'll be back in an expansion.

Carthaginians? Yeah, they're contenders, but I think they should be referred to as Phoenicians.

Canadians. Wow, they're pretty vocal. But it makes me wonder: What would their UU be? A hockey player? Would their leaders be guys like Doug & Bob McKenzie?

Also, Canadians do spell things differently. I found out recently that there are only three letters in the word "Canada": C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?

Finally, I don't blame the New Zealanders for being upset. I wouldn't want to be lumped in with the Aussies, either. But I also wouldn't be caught DEAD running around in a thong (or whatever you call them) or wearing a grass skirt.

P.S. Try not to make the mistake of taking anything in this post seiously.

 

[muppet]

Originally posted by Salvor
Also, Canadians do spell things differently. I found out recently that there are only three letters in the word "Canada": C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?

Can I borrow that for my signature line?

 

[SKILORD]

Poland doesn't deserve to be in this game... somebody suggested it and i (1/2 Polish through my dad) have to say that they are a nation of WHINING INCOMPETENTS! Trust me i've met them. Why would anyone want them in civ3?

 

[Adamski]

Originally posted by Salvor
Finally, I don't blame the New Zealanders for being upset. I wouldn't want to be lumped in with the Aussies, either. But I also wouldn't be caught DEAD running around in a thong (or whatever you call them) or wearing a grass skirt.

Hey Salvor, you might be fantasising about Kiwis all running around in g-string thongs and being hairy cannibals, but it just ain't so. We're quite happy to go buck naked in this heat. Ok we've been known to bite - but that mainly our rugby players.

And as for lumping us with Aussies, forget that. Why those dangerous, beer-swilling, womanising, law-breaking, surfing, hooning, arrogant dudes. No we're nothing like that. We're MORE KIWI than that...

Oh phuck and they finally stole a cricket game from us. Well really we let them win that one so they could make the finals...