Who here would want to go there first?

[Perfection]

In fact, odds against are of the infinitesimal nano sized fraction realm.

Can you please justify those odds?

 

[sophie]

I'd like to check out the Mars bars.

TAKE ME WITH YOU!

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Can you please justify those odds?

Might be of the highly speculative realm, but let's try to focus on the simplest of mathematics 1+1=2!

Rare-Earth
Nearby Barrens
Gliese 581g
Exponential Figures

Feel free to prove the resulting formula wrong.

Ready?
Okay, now read this entire thread.
Keep a close watch on the Running Spider Avatar if you don't want to waste more time than you need to.
Am i still wrong?

 

[Perfection]

Might be of the highly speculative realm

"Highly speculative" arguments cannot justify saying "odds against are of the infinitesimal nano sized fraction realm". Do not imply certainty when you don't have it.

Feel free to prove the resulting formula wrong

What resulting formula?

 

[El_Machinae]

Where have i wrote above that colonizing Space is a must to prove ET existence?

Nowhere that I know of. What you seem to be writing is that we should go to space because ET exists. Now, I happen to agree (that we should go to space, because it's likely ET exists), but your post too strongly suggests that we know that ET exists.

I don't have another interpretation for what you wrote upthread after "THE decision"

 

[Zyxpsilon]

"Highly speculative" arguments cannot justify saying "odds against are of the infinitesimal nano sized fraction realm". Do not imply certainty when you don't have it.

What resulting formula?

1) I'm stating that we don't actually need a proof based on current knowledge or facts. I entirely agree that we *as of now* cannot be certain in absolute terms.
2) That an extremely strong possiblity is already within our reach from solid data in hands.

Okay, given that the mathematics are complex we have to step off empirical precepts and consider the Zero_Loop factor as a general point of reference.
Earth is here - the Universe is vast and overthere.
Create any contradictory formula and you're in for a scientific ride - not only because opinions must be supported by evidence but also in a defined scope.
The result is of the Both-Ways complimentary "conflict" principle.
Truth on the other hand can be proven false.

Thus, 1 can't be assumed... and 2 denied. Complex formulations included.
Flip_A_Coin -- so to speak. Today, we're watching it spin. Once it drops, contact me cuz i'll prove to you it's on a perpetual motion considering Galaxies except for the MilkyWay.

Simple as that.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

...but your post too strongly suggests that we know that ET exists.

Bother to click on the previous links - some are already beyond guessing. Astronomers & Probes are two different assets we have on our quest for proof.

Sure, we don't know -- yet.

Wanna hear about the latest stuff...

If the Kepler (Mathematics beyond & within the G [Stable Gravity] => ~T [Time scaling variables] equation which is the missing Einstein's factor in E=mC²... btw) space-telescope mission can find THAT much in such a small region near Lyra.

Aren't we getting closer to some truth?

 

[GoodGame]

Beyond claiming a possible planet, what would be the real use of playing around in the Oort cloud, resource-wise?

 

[emzie]

Now with the Shuttles parked, what do we keep or maintain in Orbit - for good or necessary reasons?
The ISS, thousands of Satellites to sustain our luxury Toy_Phones & GPS gimmicks, a bunch of Military snooping_spies, weather monitoring assets?

Or do we go for the plentiful Resources nearby or further away?

THE decision...
Flash News in the Scientific wire; We are NOT alone in the Universe.
Not a fantasy, not a lie, not a speculation anymore, not even a myth.

It isn't a Film or an Astronomer glazing at the Stars through a convex mirror or tapping the sheer power of detection by the Hubble Telescope.

THEY are about 5 million years ahead of us in Technological progress, located in a spot exactly 5,420 LYs away from Earth & slightly above the Orion cluster. They're watching and heading this way.

It was proven -- just yesterday. In a microscopic fraction of the Space/Time Continuum.
Tomorrow is today.

1) I'm stating that we don't actually need a proof based on current knowledge or facts. I entirely agree that we *as of now* cannot be certain in absolute terms.
2) That an extremely strong possiblity is already within our reach from solid data in hands.

Okay, given that the mathematics are complex we have to step off empirical precepts and consider the Zero_Loop factor as a general point of reference.
Earth is here - the Universe is vast and overthere.
Create any contradictory formula and you're in for a scientific ride - not only because opinions must be supported by evidence but also in a defined scope.
The result is of the Both-Ways complimentary "conflict" principle.
Truth on the other hand can be proven false.

Thus, 1 can't be assumed... and 2 denied. Complex formulations included.
Flip_A_Coin -- so to speak. Today, we're watching it spin. Once it drops, contact me cuz i'll prove to you it's on a perpetual motion considering Galaxies except for the MilkyWay.

Simple as that.

Well that all sounds lovely. I'd like it to be true, but there's no reason to think it must be. A lot of people who do think life must be out there reference things like the Drake equation (either explicitly or implicitly) The Drake equation seems promising, since putting in what seem to be conservative estimates, the sheer number of possible planets still returns numerous co-existing civilizations capable of interstellar communication. Yet the problem here is that the probabilities are assigned based on nothing more than hunches, which may be no more accurate than a horoscope -- the guesses could be hopelessly high or low and there's no way to distinguish which, nor anyway to distinguish what might be a reasonable average.

Here's the Drake equation, filled in with known* data:

N = 7 * .5 (an assumption, but seems to be an okay estimate) * ??? * ??? * ??? * ??? * ???

Just how on Earth are you giving N a value approaching certainty?

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Just how on Earth are you giving N a value approaching certainty?

Late bumping of a thread, but it's worth a clear answer as undeniable proof.

Known Age of the Universe and actual evolutionary principles over Billions of years.
We were not alone, will not be or still aren't now.

Link of *some* Kepler probe Data.

It's not a mathematical guess but rather a rational result of Time itself.

 

[emzie]

Late bumping of a thread, but it's worth a clear answer as undeniable proof.

Known Age of the Universe and actual evolutionary principles over Billions of years.
We were not alone, will not be or still aren't now.

Link of *some* Kepler probe Data.

It's not a mathematical guess but rather a rational result of Time itself.

No, it's not rational. You're making assumptions based on gut feeling, not any hard data. You're making the assumption that our existence is proof that life isn't uncommon.

 

[Harvin87]

Pioneers are in a sense, lucky to experience extraordinary achievements within their lifetime.
I saw somebody walking on the Moon when i was 13.
Ever since that very minute, some have been drilled and trained to reach a goal; Space.

All i got was a Virtual world of techno 'puters and a planet stuck in Economic Inflations & Wars.

We should *Be* on Mars already, incredibly solid Robotic Probes aside that still rolled (In Spirit case!) around on depleting batteries while Opportunity cratered an Hole-In-One against all odds.

And that's the whole point... Dare to explore or keep on dreaming while Jupiter & Saturn Moons are barely next door.

The Final Frontier is a mindset written aboard even on the ISS Calendar that daily clocks with the immediate neighborhood.

We shouldn't be looking down - but out to the outskirts of Heaven & beyond. Generations away.
Lucky them - no... lucky us.

This post made me cry, thumbs up my friend.

 

[deanej]

We have to return to the moon first. If something goes wrong on Mars, and the astronauts can't figure it out, there's no backup; they just die. On the other hand, if something goes wrong on the moon, worst case scenario is an early return to Earth. We need to return to the moon to prepare ourselves to go to Mars.

 

[punkbass2000]

Mars is a reasonable target within the lifetime of anyone reading this thread or their children.
What about that one?

Going to Mars as some sort of social scientist has been a long-standing goal of mine. Twenty years ago, we were supposed to be on that mission by around 2013. I'm a little concerned.

 

[GoodGame]

Probably want to make sure it exists first.

I've seen the photos. oops necro.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

No, it's not rational. You're making assumptions based on gut feeling, not any hard data. You're making the assumption that our existence is proof that life isn't uncommon.

Sure? In absolute terms even if contradictory by nature?
Assuming a truth has never been this easy to grasp, AFAIC.

But i guess skeptics will always believe and spread any lies as long as a vast majority of people share their common "estimates" and play the usual guessing game.

Fractals & fractions - together.
And keep banging on the drums, stars do shine and blink.

By the 4th (+/-3, btw) Millenium or less, this solar system will probably harbor 5 Earths or more.
From which 1000 of LYs will feel like a walk in the park.
Even to religious freaks.

God help us - reach the distances by intellect rather than staying in a prison of our own making.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

We have to return to the moon first. If something goes wrong on Mars, and the astronauts can't figure it out, there's no backup; they just die. On the other hand, if something goes wrong on the moon, worst case scenario is an early return to Earth. We need to return to the moon to prepare ourselves to go to Mars.

Agreed.
Let's call it a rehearsal and a mining facility.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

This post made me cry, thumbs up my friend.

Don't cry, just dare hoping and smile.

 

[emzie]

Sure? In absolute terms even if contradictory by nature?
Assuming a truth has never been this easy to grasp, AFAIC.

But i guess skeptics will always believe and spread any lies as long as a vast majority of people share their common "estimates" and play the usual guessing game.

Fractals & fractions - together.
And keep banging on the drums, stars do shine and blink.

By the 4th (+/-3, btw) Millenium or less, this solar system will probably harbor 5 Earths or more.
From which 1000 of LYs will feel like a walk in the park.
Even to religious freaks.

God help us - reach the distances by intellect rather than staying in a prison of our own making.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about at this point.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

I'm not even sure what you're talking about at this point.

A familiar scapegoat from anyone cornered enough to try demeaning someone else's use of the language.
If you don't understand, you might want to reconsider the insult trap.
To me, ignorance is part of a discussion - not an axiom to exploit for arrogant reasons.
Thus, hitherto functions that contributors share instead of strict personal retaliations against vocabulary or choice of words.

Recommendation... think before you speak in public or leave this thread at once.

Space is extremely vast.

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