Who should the 18th Civ be?

[EMT]

I'm just sad that Persia and Spain have to contend for my vote. They're both very deserving civilizations, and yet somehow one of them (or, heaven forbid, both of them) will have to be out.

I know exactly how you feel.

 

[mechaerik]

I have no doubt it should be Spain.

I do, however have doubt if it actually will be.

Persia and Babylon are strong contenders, and Ethiopia, although a much longer shot, is still worthy imo.

I think its probably between Spain and Persia.

 

[Franks]

Persia? *Yawn*. My vote goes for Spain.

 

[Thormodr]

Iroquois as the surprise 18th Civ.

Jon Shafer said one of the leader traits that they toyed with the Civ using forests like roads. It was dropped because it was deemed too powerful.

I believe the Iroquois fit this trait best.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Spain. Yawn. Just another group of post-medieval Romans ...

...The Persians are a must.

The Norse/Scandinavians are cool, but I don't think even a Scandinavian would argue they were even in the same league as Persia.

Lol ... Canada, Holy Roman Empire, Brazil, Mexico (what are the Aztecs for goodness sake). I second the thought that Hungary, Poland, Srivijaya, Kanem, Mapuche and so on should have been listed, but I've got a feeling it'd still be between the Persians and Vikings, Spanish and Mesopotamians.

 

[mechaerik]

The Aztecs are the Aztecs. Mexico is Mexico.

Mexico is a mix between Spanish and native cultures (like most of Latin America), not just modern Aztecs.

That being said, Mexico has no chance of being in Civ. I would be happy if they did, but Mexico hasn't done anything Civ worthy. At least not yet. No one knows the future.

 

[Pangur Bán]

The Aztecs are the Aztecs. Mexico is Mexico.

Mexico is a mix between Spanish and native cultures (like most of Latin America), not just modern Aztecs.

That being said, Mexico has no chance of being in Civ. I would be happy if they did, but Mexico hasn't done anything Civ worthy. At least not yet. No one knows the future.

Mexico is original the Spanish name for Tenochtitlan and the Aztec Empire. The Aztecs were the people of Tenochtitlan and the Aztec rulers, the Mexica.

You can make a distinction, but doing so to get another in the game is silly, as there are only a limited number of civs.

 

[Seventh Child]

I'd like to see Scandinavia in. Just personal preference.

Spain or Persia are definitely far more deserving. Babylon and Sumeria are also very deserving civs.

Maybe Firaxis will surprise everyone and say "Hah, you thought we were putting in 18 civs? Here is the final, full list of all 24 civs!" and people will be amazed. Also I'd like a jetpack and a unicorn.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Maybe Firaxis will surprise everyone and say "Hah, you thought we were putting in 18 civs? Here is the final, full list of all 24 civs!" and people will be amazed. Also I'd like a jetpack and a unicorn.

That would be nice.

 

[bob rulz]

Native Americans. A viable entity until the 19th century. A strong culture, and a beautiful existance on the best continent.

But the "Native Americans" were never a united civilization and never came anywhere near being an empire. They consisted of hundreds of different independent, mostly undeveloped tribes scattered across 2 entire continents, many of which had no contact with each other. The Aztecs and the Inca both technically fall under "Native American" as well and those are the 2 largest empires that pre-Columbus America ever produced. I mean hell, the Aztecs and the Inca were never even aware of each other.

My vote goes to Persia, although leaving out both Persia and Spain makes no sense as both could conceivably be called superpowers of their time period.

 

[moscaverde]

My order of preference:

Persia>Scandinavia>Spain

 

[Thormodr]

But the "Native Americans" were never a united civilization and never came anywhere near being an empire. They consisted of hundreds of different independent, mostly undeveloped tribes scattered across 2 entire continents, many of which had no contact with each other. The Aztecs and the Inca both technically fall under "Native American" as well and those are the 2 largest empires that pre-Columbus America ever produced. I mean hell, the Aztecs and the Inca were never even aware of each other.

My vote goes to Persia, although leaving out both Persia and Spain makes no sense as both could conceivably be called superpowers of their time period.

I don't like the idea of a "Native American" Civ but the Iroquois would be quite good.

The Iroquois were quite advanced and established a mighty confederacy in 1450. They were definitely on the upswing when the Europeans first came to North America.

Who knows what would have happened if disease hadn't massively depopulated the aboriginal peoples in the Americas. Most estimates are that the nearly 20 new diseases that aboriginals were exposed to left about 90 to 95% dead.

Certainly a great historical what-if.

 

[bob rulz]

I don't like the idea of a "Native American" Civ but the Iroquois would be quite good.

The Iroquois were quite advanced and established a mighty confederacy in 1450. They were definitely on the upswing when the Europeans first came to North America.

Who knows what would have happened if disease hadn't massively depopulated the aboriginal peoples in the Americas. Most estimates are that the nearly 20 new diseases that aboriginals were exposed to left about 90 to 95% dead.

Certainly a great historical what-if.

Oh I can't argue with that. What-if scenarios are always interesting to ponder.

The Iroquois would also be a good civ to have, but not over Persia, Spain, Babylon, the Byzantines, the Hittites, or even the Vikings. Seeing them in a later expansion would be okay though.

 

[Tommy1234567890]

My order of preference:

Persia>Scandinavia>Spain

I can see where Persia can surpass Spain (although it hurts to leave any of them out) But Scandinavia doenst even reach Spains heels in terms of historical protagonization.

 

[bob rulz]

Scandinavia isn't even a civilization. Ever since the Viking Age, Scandinavia has been politically divided, and at several points in history, the countries of Scandinavia have even been enemies of each other. The period people refer to should be referred to as the Vikings, and only the Vikings, in the game.

 

[Souron]

I originally voted Spain, but after realizing that Mesopotamia is not represented, I'd prefer Babylon.

Persia, Spain, Portugal, and the Danes deserve to be in the first expansion pack though.

 

[seasnake]

Still gonna hold out for Ethiopia. Let's go, ethiopia, let's go!

 

[Magma]

Vikings without doubt!

 

[Grimlin]

I've voted for Spain although Persia was pretty close. Really depends on the Age one likes most... I usually start in renaissance at the earliest and that makes Spain more interesting.

 

[Schalke 04]

Persia, absolutely.

However, I would like to have Spain and Vikings in as well.