Why all the hate?

[Esperr]

America is pretty good. That plus one visions makes a world of difference with trebs cannons and arty, not needing a spotter to hit cities.

 

[Kabloosh]

I don't have much trouble with America, in fact they are one of my favourite civs. I don't care that they are a "hodgepodge" nation, much as Early England was for the most part...

As an AI on the other hand, he can piss me off, he spams his cities, then complains because we share a border.

And he cries like a baby when I nuke his cities to the ground!

Well. America was quite expansionistic in our early years. We gobbled up all the Indian territories then jacked a lot of lands from Mexico. We even tried once on Canada but since they had British support so it didn't go down too well.

Taking over city states makes sense as well. We did that to Hawaii and to other various territories. American policy changed after WW2 where we learned from European Imperialism. So now we "befriend" small nations through business agreements and let them run their governments the way they want to while we reap the benefits of whatever resource they provide.

 

[Oatse]

people dislike america as a civ in this because they're angry euro nationalists who are mad they got in instead of glorious srbija or bulgaria\
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[Cedbird]

For anyone dismissing America it is totally ignorant . We are only the first nation to be truly ruled by the people and not ran by an oligargarhy , dictatorship , or monarchy . And who cares about spelling its a forum not a term paper . We are only the most powerful nation in the world and pound pound maybe in world history . If we wanted we could take over the whole world economically and militarily except the fact of the great equalizer nuclear bombs . In which we were the first to develop and use . We are solely responsible for video games including this one being relased LOL being that we save the world from both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin .
And as far as our culture goes . The fact that we we are a melting pot of people is a strenth and not a weakness . It makes us special . I am a African American so I understand this fact . I don 't like Barack Obama at all but name another non African nation with a half black person as it leader . Ok thanks .... America feeds more and helps more than any other nation while protecting the world with its military spending and blood . Who pays for the U.N the Internation monetary fund etc . Thanks . If it was not for America there would be no Civ 5 Lol

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[Andulias]

people dislike america as a civ in this because they're angry euro nationalists who are mad they got in instead of glorious srbija or bulgaria

I am a Bulgarian and I find your argument laughable. If you are not aware in the world of Civ we are kind of a minority, even if we were all nationalists who for some reason hate the US, that would hardly be noticed by anyone.

For anyone dismissing America it is totally ignorant . We are only the first nation to be truly ruled by the people and not ran by an oligargarhy , dictatorship , or monarchy . And who cares about spelling its a forum not a term paper . We are only the most powerful nation in the world and pound pound maybe in world history . If we wanted we could take over the whole world economically and militarily except the fact of the great equalizer nuclear bombs . In which we were the first to develop and use . We are solely responsible for video games including this one being relased LOL being that we save the world from both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin .
And as far as our culture goes . The fact that we we are a melting pot of people is a strenth and not a weakness . It makes us special . I am a African American so I understand this fact. I don 't like Barack Obama at all but name another non African nation with a half black person as it leader . Ok thanks .... America feeds more and helps more than any other nation while protecting the world with its military spending and blood . Who pays for the U.N the Internation monetary fund etc . Thanks . If it was not for America there would be no Civ 5 Lol

Except the oldest republic in the world predates the US by some 1400 years (San Marino). The first nation to be a democracy? Uhuh, sure, history begs to differ.

The only country in the world that could boast being able to take over anything in any way is China. They are the world's biggest manufacturer, their economy is the fastest growing in the world, they hold almost all the the mines for rare elements without which pretty much not a single electronic device can be manufactured, and their regular army is 4 times bigger than old Uncle Sam. Twice with all the reserves, and don't forget, we are talking here only about the regular army. Oh, not to mention you people owe them money. And America is protecting the world and righting and wrongs? Really? Why aren't you helping in the Somali civil war? It's been raging on for 20 years, more than half a million people have been living in the biggest refugee camp in the world for 2 decades with almost no food and only half a gallon of water per day, and this, I repeat, has been going on for 2 decades. Don't get me started on the countries you did... help out.

Your blinded nationalism is not only ill-informed and based on completely made-up "facts", but it also has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Keep it to yourself. This topic is about a game called Civilization V, not your misplaced nationalism.

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[Cedbird]

Well. America was quite expansionistic in our early years. We gobbled up all the Indian territories then jacked a lot of lands from Mexico. We even tried once on Canada but since they had British support so it didn't go down too well.

Taking over city states makes sense as well. We did that to Hawaii and to other various territories. American policy changed after WW2 where we learned from European Imperialism. So now we "befriend" small nations through business agreements and let them run their governments the way they want to while we reap the benefits of whatever resource they provide.

The Indian ' s were not one nation . Some were savage some were friendly . That is why there were friction between us and them . Like every other nation America has its dark parts and some of the Indian treatmen is apart of it. As an African American I can attest to that .
I don 't recall us stealing anything form Mexico . We won it in a war that we did not start . Hawaii also or maybe we purchased it cannot remember . I don 't recall attacking Cananda either so u really need to correct those statements . Must be our crappy education system . Anyway America business and defense of the weak aka Kuwait , Saudi Arabia , Bosnia etc is the reason why many nations can feed their children and grow an economy . America is what is right with the world not wrong . European nations were the ones buying Oil from Sadaam during the U.N Sanctions violating the agreement and keeping Sadaam in power .

 

[Cedbird]

I am a Bulgarian and I find your argument laughable.

I read about ex Soviet block nations who are using the free market and doing pretty well. I just read a quick bit on Bulgaria . Look like u guys are doing pretty well . If the whole world had a free market the only people who would be starving is the ones who did not want to eat . That is why Europe is hurting . Why would Bulgaria want to get into that Socialistic Euro mess when they are doing it the right way ?

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[Naokaukodem]

European nations were the ones buying Oil from Sadaam during the U.N Sanctions violating the agreement and keeping Sadaam in power .

And we also didn't want Sadam's skin and didn't enter the Iraq war.

Sadam was just defying USA, that's why the Bush became mad.

Oh, it's not because of its gazes. That, is the propaganda. Even "civilized" societies call the army when the crowds are uncontrollable. We've already see it in France. Gazes were an issue, granted, but not a reason of such hate.

Sadam wanted the best for its country. He wanted to repair the irrigation system of his country. He dreamed to make Iraq the best nation of middle east. Those dreams are all into his honor.

No, sorry, but Sadam was not the devil. I think there's no place for two devils, Oussama plays this role perfectly already.

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[BukoJuko]

on the other hand "the melting pot" mod for the US is quite awesome. not sure of its been updated tho

 

[CelticMutt]

Oh dear, this will be fun ...

For anyone dismissing America it is totally ignorant .

True. ish. Just not for your reasons.

We are only the first nation to be truly ruled by the people and not ran by an oligargarhy , dictatorship , or monarchy .

Not true.

And who cares about spelling its a forum not a term paper .

Everyone should care.

We are only the most powerful nation in the world

Arguable at best and most likely not true.

and pound pound maybe in world history .

Definitely not true.

If we wanted we could take over the whole world economically and militarily except the fact of the great equalizer nuclear bombs .

So definitely not true it's funny.

In which we were the first to develop and use .

Barely true. The Germans almost beat us.

We are solely responsible for video games including this one being relased LOL

We're also responsible for killing video games in 1983, leaving it to the Japanese to reinvigorate the industry. And I say that as a fan of companies like Sierra and Origin that were still going when Nintendo first started getting big.

being that we save the world from both Adolf Hitler

1) Bull. It was a joint effort. ALL the allies were responsible.

2) If Stalin hadn't been attacking from the East the Germans probably would have gotten their prototypes including the bomb working soon enough to win instead.

and Joseph Stalin .

No, that was a lifetime of smoking causing him bad health.

You see, nationalism like this is why a lot of people don't like Americans nowadays. They think we're all gung-ho egotistical yankees.

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[Callonia]

Me and usa tend to uh, suffer from land disputes no matter what early game. So I end up killing washington off early game. Because his settlers and my settlers is usually racing for the exact same hex.

Let's not forget the part where washington declare lots and lots of wars, and if I declare even one, he calls me a warmonger, and that tends to have me canceling the current war and send the soldiers to visit usa instead.

 

[godofsteele]

You see, nationalism like this is why a lot of people don't like Americans nowadays. They think we're all gung-ho egotistical yankees.

Pretty much

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Back on topic, i think america should maybe have a minor combat bonus against civs with there capital on the same continent as there's. it seems it would go very well with the manifest destiny theme of america in game.

Either that or a bonus towards the success of a coups de ta in city states.

 

[Frosty_AUT]

That would be ridiculously powerful. No, absolutely no. It's the right direction, there should be more UAs that deal with SPs, but not like this

I can imagine it being overpowered when policy saving is permitted, but otherwise, I don't see the problem ...? Specifically, taking advantage of that UA would mean to skip some other early policies, most of which offer substantial bonuses to growth and happiness. There would be quite a bit of opportunity cost involved.

 

[Kabloosh]

The Indian ' s were not one nation . Some were savage some were friendly . That is why there were friction between us and them . Like every other nation America has its dark parts and some of the Indian treatmen is apart of it. As an African American I can attest to that .
I don 't recall us stealing anything form Mexico . We won it in a war that we did not start . Hawaii also or maybe we purchased it cannot remember . I don 't recall attacking Cananda either so u really need to correct those statements . Must be our crappy education system . Anyway America business and defense of the weak aka Kuwait , Saudi Arabia , Bosnia etc is the reason why many nations can feed their children and grow an economy . America is what is right with the world not wrong . European nations were the ones buying Oil from Sadaam during the U.N Sanctions violating the agreement and keeping Sadaam in power .

Read up on the American Mexican war. We were eying what is now New Mexico, Arizona, and southern California and we got it easily since we essentially bullied Mexico into it and we totally kicked their butts. We sacked their capital real quickly and as part of their agreement they gave us that territory.

I don't consider us right or wrong in our methods. We do stuff to survive and our concept of survival tells us we want to be in control and with the most power and every nation on this planet wants to do the same. Its only natural. Even within our nations we have our groups that share similar ideals so we stick to them.

As for thinking we are a government ran by the people you must not be listening to politics... or understand what a Republic is.
The US is a Republic, aka a representative government. We vote in people we feel have a better understanding of the process to deal with public affairs so we can all go about our business keeping our communities running since we cannot always be involved and up to date on public affairs. Makes total sense since we tend to vote for the guy who we can "relate" to the most. Such as black people voting for Obama cause hes black and white people voting for McCain cause hes white and the other guy is black... and perceived as a communist by fat people spewing slander and misleading facts over the radio. Its very easy to control peoples opinions when all you have to do is keep them ignorant of the facts and feed the information you want them to hear.

I'm not saying the US is bad. I'm just very blunt in describing our very interesting history. Its important we know these things so we learn from them and understand why we would make such decisions. Personally though, I kind of wish we would more or less cooperate better with others so we can focus our competitive interests more on how to find ways to get off Earth and start exploring the universe and colonizing it and possibly blow up aliens instead ourselves and maybe even one day stop blowing them up and start alliances with them and figure out ways to get out of the galaxy cause in about a billion years another galaxy is gonna smash into the milky way causing all the stars to get flung all over the place and make a real mess of things. That won't matter much though cause he will still need to figure out how to get off this planet cause in another 100 million or so years the sun is going to be radiating so much heat that it will turn the Earth into another Venus. But that is all irrelevant if we can avoid reenacting some of the crazy modern world wars we simulate in in civ5.

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[Naresh]

I'm tired of seeing rants that come up in threads like this. Someone complains about a Civ IN GAME (at best a mediocre representation of a country, given its limited to 3 factors, 1 UA, and 2 UB/UU) especially ones with a long history.

Then some jumped up supporter gets a bee in his bonnet because they think the thread is pissing on their countries chips... Leading to a huge rant full of wrong facts and self imposed egotism.

Well. America was quite expansionistic in our early years. We gobbled up all the Indian territories then jacked a lot of lands from Mexico. We even tried once on Canada but since they had British support so it didn't go down too well.

Taking over city states makes sense as well. We did that to Hawaii and to other various territories. American policy changed after WW2 where we learned from European Imperialism. So now we "befriend" small nations through business agreements and let them run their governments the way they want to while we reap the benefits of whatever resource they provide.

All Countries are expansionist once they hit their stride / become techonologically advanced. America did it as they broke away from England. Look at Rome. England did it during their golden age.

Personally I believe America is fine as a civ as it is. I enjoy playing them and whenever I choose a "random civ" game, I never restart just because I play as them.

While trying to keep neutrality. I do find this statement pisses me off more than just about anything.

being that we save the world from both Adolf Hitler

I do loathe it when people run around believing their country is Gods gift to the world, and feel they have to impose that "democracy" or whatever else upon everyone in the world.

It just happens to be America at this moment in time.

 

[Disgustipated]

For anyone dismissing America it is totally ignorant . We are only the first nation to be truly ruled by the people and not ran by an oligargarhy , dictatorship , or monarchy . And who cares about spelling its a forum not a term paper . We are only the most powerful nation in the world and pound pound maybe in world history . If we wanted we could take over the whole world economically and militarily except the fact of the great equalizer nuclear bombs . In which we were the first to develop and use . We are solely responsible for video games including this one being relased LOL being that we save the world from both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin .
And as far as our culture goes . The fact that we we are a melting pot of people is a strenth and not a weakness . It makes us special . I am a African American so I understand this fact . I don 't like Barack Obama at all but name another non African nation with a half black person as it leader . Ok thanks .... America feeds more and helps more than any other nation while protecting the world with its military spending and blood . Who pays for the U.N the Internation monetary fund etc . Thanks . If it was not for America there would be no Civ 5 Lol

Umm, no. People overestimate American military power. We could barely get enough troops to support wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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[Andulias]

I read about ex Soviet block nations who are using the free market and doing pretty well. I just read a quick bit on Bulgaria . Look like u guys are doing pretty well . If the whole world had a free market the only people who would be starving is the ones who did not want to eat . That is why Europe is hurting . Why would Bulgaria want to get into that Socialistic Euro mess when they are doing it the right way ?

Socialistic Euro? Does that even make sense?

Oh, and about WW2 - out of the 10 biggest battles in the war the first 7 were fought solely between the USSR and Germany. In 2 of the rest America fought as well. In 0 America did so alone. You beat Hitler? Rly? You? Uhuh...

You see, nationalism like this is why a lot of people don't like Americans nowadays. They think we're all gung-ho egotistical yankees.

You are so right it hurts. Although it's hardly surprising when American teachers love giving out essays like "Why is America the best country in the world" without ever asking "Is America the best country in the world?" and "What constitues the best country in the world?" It's kind of sad.

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[Disgustipated]

Seriously though America does need a better uu. You can't deny that we design the best fighter jets, aircraft carriers, cruise missiles, etc.

I think the stealth bomber should be removed from the game as a general unit and become America's uu. Yes it's extremely late in the game. But let's face it. The U.S. was an extremely late superpower.

And for the record, I no longer consider the U.S. a superpower. Yes our military power is still impressive, but starting any war would cause our debt to spiral out of control. We are teetering on out of control debt right now. Military is useless if you don't have the ability to use it.

So to go into more detail above, we cannot take over the world. Our economy simply cannot sustain it. Even in the 50's we couldn't do it. Economies work differently now days than in years past. I believe the Mongols had the largest land empire in history. But they pillaged what they needed, and didn't really need an economy. I don't think they directly ruled many areas, they just took tithes after the conquered (someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a little rusty here). Back in the day supporting armies was easier. They took food from the surrounding farmlands. So logistics wasn't nearly as difficult as today. It's why they were able to take large amounts of land back in those days, and we can't do it today.

Our only hope of ever taking over the world would have been to prevent the Soviets from building the bomb, and then build enough bombs ourselves to nuke every city in the world. But I hardly call that a victory.

 

[The_J]

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