Why Bush Bypassed the FISA courts?

[MobBoss]

please, learn English, willya?

Jeez, sorry..its only my primary language.

I do in no way want to equate Tim McVeigh with Al'Quaida, but I want to remind you and all the other arrogant 'terror=Islam' guys out there that there is a significant number of non-islamic terrorists

Significant number? What planet do you live on? The only significant terror threat in the world right now is islamic based. Name 10 recent terrorist attacks that were not islamic terrorist related.

 

[McManus]

name 10 recent terrorist attacks altogether... Hell, I can remember only 3 major ones (9/11, Madrid, London)... Unless of course you would want to call the insurgency in Iraq a string of terrorist attacks...

 

[MobBoss]

name 10 recent terrorist attacks altogether... Hell, I can remember only 3 major ones (9/11, Madrid, London)... Unless of course you would want to call the insurgency in Iraq a string of terrorist attacks...

You seem to forget the resorts bombed in SE asia, and the palesitinian bombers in Israel, and the killings in India by islamic fundamentalists.

Here from Wiki, a timeline a history of recent terror attacks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

After viewing the list for the last three years, I could only find one attack in Bogota, Columbia that couldnt possibly be tied to islamic fundamentalists. Yeah, Carlos......one attack in three years is a sure "significant number" of non-islamic terrorist attacks.

 

[McManus]

You seem to forget the resorts bombed in SE asia, and the palesitinian bombers in Israel, and the killings in India by islamic fundamentalists.

Hmm... Now that you mention it, the resort bombings does ring a bell... but still can't remember it

Palestine and Israel... well.. I'd say thats kind of complicated. Its more like a string of hate-crimes than terrorism as applied to the rest of us... I'm not saying that you are wrong tho, or that its not terrorism, but I would still consider that a separate issue... Not unlike Iraq, some feel oppressed and with the absence of any military might resort to suicide-bombings and such, often in retaliation to what the isrealites did (bulldozing houses, shooting at refugee camps, killing youths and all the legitimate actions too, which often were retaliations for palestinian actions, and so on. Nasty circle there.)

And of the killings in India I truly have not heard anything. I admit I am slightly lazy with watching the news, so I may have missed them, but you make it sound as if it were something big/continual... so I think I would have heard... Not sure tho :/

But yes, I do forget (or in some cases I don't count them. Like Israel/palestine is a continuing struggle, which I separate from "regular" terrorism... if there is such a thing...)

 

[MobBoss]

recheck my post...I edited it with more factual proof.

 

[McManus]

After checking the list... well, I hardly consider the terrorist attacks in Russia to be islamic militants. They are "freedom fighters" for Chechenya.

 

[carlosMM]

Jeez, sorry..its only my primary language.

then why do you so significantly misread what I write?

Significant number? What planet do you live on? The only significant terror threat in the world right now is islamic based. Name 10 recent terrorist attacks that were not islamic terrorist related.

Ever heard of ETA? Just one example....

 

[carlosMM]

After checking the list... well, I hardly consider the terrorist attacks in Russia to be islamic militants. They are "freedom fighters" for Chechenya.

no, they are bad Islamic non-Americans, thus they must be killed

 

[MobBoss]

Ever heard of ETA? Just one example....

Still waiting for those "significant numbers" of non-islamic terrorist attacks to be listed.....

Oh, and McManus, as Carlos mentioned..chechans are islamic.

 

[carlosMM]

Still waiting for those "significant numbers" of non-islamic terrorist attacks to be listed.....

why should I give more? One significant group is more than enough I'd say.

Want another:

here's one:
the IRA

much as Al'Quaida in 1999/2000, they now have a quiet phase, but that can flare up any day. And they anything but Islamic.

Ok, and what about Africa? There's enough people there using terror means on whole poeples.....

Oh, and McManus, as Carlos mentioned..chechans are islamic.

erhm, nope - quite many of them are secular, or moderate Islamic. Their religious oppression is a side issue of their fight.

 

[carlosMM]

so, all in all, can anyone of the rightwingers finally answer me?

how come you approve of a clear-cut break of the law by your president, when special laws were made to keep him from doing exactly what he did?

 

[MobBoss]

why should I give more? One significant group is more than enough I'd say.

Want another:

here's one:
the IRA

much as Al'Quaida in 1999/2000, they now have a quiet phase, but that can flare up any day. And they anything but Islamic.

Ok, and what about Africa? There's enough people there using terror means on whole poeples.....

Carlos, you lose. You said "there is a significant number of non-islamic terrorists" and as such you mention the IRA who hasnt bombed anyone in years? I also cant find where the ETA has killed anyone in years either. You are in complete denial by not accepting the fact that Islamic terrorism makes up the vast majority of terrorist attacks today (dare I say 99%) and when I give you solid evidence of such, you mention groups that havent been active in years.

You sir, get the nutburger award for today.

 

[Kayak]

Carlos, you lose. You said "there is a significant number of non-islamic terrorists" and as such you mention the IRA who hasnt bombed anyone in years? I also cant find where the ETA has killed anyone in years either. You are in complete denial by not accepting the fact that Islamic terrorism makes up the vast majority of terrorist attacks today (dare I say 99%) and when I give you solid evidence of such, you mention groups that havent been active in years.

You sir, get the nutburger award for today.

Well that may depend on whether you consider groups like The Shining Path,the Lords Resistance Army and the Maoists in Nepal Terrorists or not.

Are the drug lords in Columbia terrorists? or the Mafia in Russia?

My point is that even after the current crop of islamic affiliated groups are defeated, others will seize on the tactic to promote their goals. You can not hope to permanently defeat a method. Therefor you will be granting permanent power to the President to negate laws as he or she sees fit. This is very scary to me given past abuses of power by our government.

 

[SomethingWitty]

Jeez, sorry..its only my primary language.



Significant number? What planet do you live on? The only significant terror threat in the world right now is islamic based. Name 10 recent terrorist attacks that were not islamic terrorist related.

The Oklahoma City Bombing
The recent Basque seperatist bombings.
The anthrax attacks.
The midwest mailbox bombings.
The Japanese subway gas attacks.
The Atlantic olympic bombing.
Abortion clinic bombings and assassinations
The recent burning of African American churches.
The IRA Manchester bombing.
ELF attacks.

Of course, those are just classical "terrorist" activities. Recent military actions under command of a fundamentalist Christian have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians- far worse than 9-11. Of course that doesn't count as "terrorism" even though it's far worse.

By the way, trying to like Islam and terrorism isn't only patently- it's out and out bigotry. The kind of thinking terrorists subscribe to.

 

[MobBoss]

The Oklahoma City Bombing
The recent Basque seperatist bombings.
The anthrax attacks.
The midwest mailbox bombings.
The Japanese subway gas attacks.
The Atlantic olympic bombing.
Abortion clinic bombings and assassinations
The recent burning of African American churches.
The IRA Manchester bombing.
ELF attacks.

Of course, those are just classical "terrorist" activities. Recent military actions under command of a fundamentalist Christian have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians- far worse than 9-11. Of course that doesn't count as "terrorism" even though it's far worse.

By the way, trying to like Islam and terrorism isn't only patently- it's out and out bigotry. The kind of thinking terrorists subscribe to.

All the terrorist actions you mention here (and sorry, an abortion clinic bombing is not terrorism) happened years ago....hardly anything on your llist is recent and most are certainly single instances (I dont think anyone would call the Atlanta Olympic bombing a terrorist attack either). Its not bigotry to state the plain fact that the vast majority of terror attacks in the last several years have been done by radical Islamic Fundamentalists. Its out and out stupidity to claim otherwise.

 

[El_Machinae]

???

an abortion clinic bombing is not terrori

what is it? An act of war? It's a morally motivated murder.

 

[oedo]

All the terrorist actions you mention here (and sorry, an abortion clinic bombing is not terrorism) happened years ago....hardly anything on your llist is recent and most are certainly single instances (I dont think anyone would call the Atlanta Olympic bombing a terrorist attack either). Its not bigotry to state the plain fact that the vast majority of terror attacks in the last several years have been done by radical Islamic Fundamentalists. Its out and out stupidity to claim otherwise.

911 happened years ago as well. It even happened some days BEFORE the anthrax attacks mentioned by SomethingWitty.
And actually how many radical Islamic Fundamentalists have been found guilty on trial? Compare that number to the non islamic terrorists who have been found guilty (like McVeigh or Asahara).

 

[MobBoss]

???



what is it? An act of war? It's a morally motivated murder.

Its a crime. Terrorism is an act meant to destablize a government.

 

[MobBoss]

911 happened years ago as well. It even happened some days BEFORE the anthrax attacks mentioned by SomethingWitty.
And actually how many radical Islamic Fundamentalists have been found guilty on trial? Compare that number to the non islamic terrorists who have been found guilty (like McVeigh or Asahara).

Uhm...well considering the fact that the large majority of islamic terrorists blow themselves to itty bitty bits in the process, very few make it to trial.

By the way, as I recall, were not the anthrax attacks traced to some lunatic professor/scientist who was only acting on his own? If so, I would call that a crime as well and not the act of a terrorist.

 

[oedo]

Its a crime. Terrorism is an act meant to destablize a government.

So the London subway bombings actually weren't terrorism, since they didn't even remotely destabilize the goverment?

Uhm...well considering the fact that the large majority of islamic terrorists blow themselves to itty bitty bits in the process, very few make it to trial.

911 was a suicide attack. And concerning this, your answer would have a point, if these 19 terrorists did the attacks on their own and got no help from anyone else. I doubt this is what you believe.

And Madrid? London? Istanbul? Bali? Suicide attacks?

By the way, as I recall, were not the anthrax attacks traced to some lunatic professor/scientist who was only acting on his own? If so, I would call that a crime as well and not the act of a terrorist.

As I recall there was no investigation, no indictment, no trial, no one guilty.
But the most important, some of these anthrax letters were sent to congress members. That, however matches your definition:

Terrorism is an act meant to destablize a government.