why communism didn't work

[soren]

Communism failed. Not only did it fall, but whatever came out of it wasn't the communism Marx and the founders expected or wanted it to be. They would have been disapointed.

But why? I think a major reason why is because Communism is supposed to be a perfect system, and humans are not perfect.

 

[alex994]

Or it was they system, Marx and Co. died before he "perfected" communism.

 

[Esckey]

I think it's because the only Communist thing that China and the former Soviet Union were using was the term Communisim. Everything else points to dictatorships

 

[newfangle]

Communism failed because its completely flawed in theory, and even worse in practice.

Man is not a sacrificial animal to the state, nor will he ever be. He does not possess a collective consciousness; only an individual, volitional one. Communism did not, and cannot allow man to live in accordance with his nature, and because of this it will fail in any form (whether it be soviet communism or a social democracy).

 

[rilnator]

When will China give up communism? I can't see it happening in th immediate future.

 

[Case]

How many threads do we need on this topic?

When will China give up communism? I can't see it happening in th immediate future.

For intents and purposes, they gave communism up in the 1980s. The Chinese communists are now communist in name only. All the nationalised industries are slowly being privatised, and capitalist businesspeople are free (indeed enouraged) to join the 'Communist' party.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Communism failed because it its fundamentals are based completely on fallacy.

 

[Titan2018]

Communism failed because its completely flawed in theory, and even worse in practice.

Man is not a sacrificial animal to the state, nor will he ever be. He does not possess a collective consciousness; only an individual, volitional one. Communism did not, and cannot allow man to live in accordance with his nature, and because of this it will fail in any form (whether it be soviet communism or a social democracy).

I actually agree with newfangle on this one. The basic unit of soceity is the indiviual not the state. As I -admittedly small - understanding of communist idealology goes, the idea was to make all people equal to the extreme. Basically to creat a state in which everyone was equal but there was no indiviuality. The problem is that that's not how human nature works. We need to be able to express ourselves.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

No where in nature is there an example of equality of a species. This would go completely and utterly against evolution, and the species would thus stagnate. It is not possible to have equality, and thus trying to make equality means there will be only an aribitrary dealing where eventually someone will get powerful. Unfortunately it won'tbe based on skill, but rather disposition.

 

[Dann]

Because we are not ants.

It would work if we are the Klackons from Master of Orion, or the Tyranids from Warhammer 40K.

These races are composed of members with no independent thought or consciousness. Instead they have a collective hive mind that thinks and works for the entire race. Very stable and very productive, but also very uncreative and xenophobic.

However, such a concept exists only in the realm of games and science fiction. Unless someday we really produce someone like Yuri from the Red Alert games...

 

[Stefan Haertel]

How many threads do we need on this topic?

I second that. Why don't people take a look at pages beyond the first one? It's really tiresome to see the same old discussions reappearing every month.

 

[luiz]

Sobieski and newfangle are right.

Communism is completely flawed in theory, just like all Constructivist ideologies.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Originally posted by Stefan Haertel


I second that. Why don't people take a look at pages beyond the first one? It's really tiresome to see the same old discussions reappearing every month.

Because nobody likes and old thread digger-upper.

 

[Stefan Haertel]

Well, having one discussion about a subject is enough- besides, as it has all been discussed before, where is the need for a new one?

 

[Evie]

It's amusing that people *assume* that freedom and inviduality are essential basic for human existence when they are by and large ideals that only took their present form only in the post-medieval era pretty much (and that we also proceed to assum an individualist society is necessarily better than a collective one).

Which isn't to say that I think communism is superior to anything - that's a ludicrous line of thought. Simply, I amused by the fact that many people assume that the ideas we lived by these last few centuries *must* be the best ideals to live by.

 

[luiz]

Originally posted by Oda Nobunaga
It's amusing that people *assume* that freedom and inviduality are essential basic for human existence when they are by and large ideals that only took their present form only in the post-medieval era pretty much (and that we also proceed to assum an individualist society is necessarily better than a collective one).

Which isn't to say that I think communism is superior to anything - that's a ludicrous line of thought. Simply, I amused by the fact that many people assume that the ideas we lived by these last few centuries *must* be the best ideals to live by.

That's because in the last centuries we progressed at record speed.
Compare the progress of today with the progress made during the middle-ages and you will see why we believe that our current values are better.

 

[Stefan Haertel]

That's because in the last centuries we progressed at record speed.
Compare the progress of today with the progress made during the middle-ages and you will see why we believe that our current values are better.

Sure, but take a look around yourself, never has the environment been more damaged, never has there been such an uncertain future. Everything has it's price.

 

[Kafka2]

Ideologies are created by people who shouldn't be trusted with looking after a goldfish, let alone a country. I've yet to see any "pure" ideology that I'd consider to be a pragmatic working plan for a society.

 

[EvilCommieMan]

Communism does not work just as absolute capitalism does not work, they dwell in the realm of extremes.

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by newfangle
Communism failed because its completely flawed in theory, and even worse in practice.

How can something fail that has never been tested?

USSR, China, Cuba etc were/are monarchies in reality.